The Legion Glaive is not really suitable for 40k or normal Apocalypse 40k games according to the latest from Forgeworld. This is taken directly from a reader here on Faeit 212, who was gracious enough to share this bit of news with us.


via Forgeworld from Master of Sanctity on Faeit 212 
The Legion Glaive is not featured in the forthcoming IA Apocalypse book as it was decided that this vehicle was ideally for use in Horus Heresy games rather than 40k or normal Apocalypse games.  However, as the rules for the Glaive are available to download from the link below, you can use these rules in Apocalypse if you wish although we would recommend consulting your opponents first."

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  1. but i thought that the whole point of apocalypse was to bring anything you wanted?

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    1. For the current 40k universe, yes. Horus Heresy is a different animal all together.

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    2. oh? i'll have to check it out sometime then. i have been in the hobby for around twenty years now, but for whatever reason i haven't bothered checking out 30k yet...other then the fantastic models that is

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    3. @Mcdoogle The Fellblade is confirmed in the apoc book, thats why this decision is perplexing. Sounds like they forgot the glaive, or it came out too late in the publishing process.

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    4. But Horus Heresy can be considered as third game: 40k, 30k and Fantasy.

      Even though 30k and 40k is extreamly similar they are not balansed to play eachother (not that IA ever was :P)

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    5. Well in current apoc rules if it has d3 or d6 D blasts it can ruin a game...single model ;]

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  2. I thought the concept of Apocolapse, is the ability to use ALL of your models?

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    1. ALL your models from 40k. As mentioned above by McDoogle, the Legion Glaive is for 30k.

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    2. Cool, we'll play and I'll bring my 5 Dark Elf Sorcerers!

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    3. What are you talking about? Horus Heresy isn't an alternate game, it uses 40k rules. You need the 40k rulebook to use the Heresy books. The Heresy books are just supplements same as any IA book from Forgeworld.

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  3. Using it anyways. Where I play nobody cares what models you use.

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  4. Wait, why would you ask your opponent for permission to run something in Apoc? It's about running anything and everything!

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    1. Please hold while I'm taking a WHF-army to the table.

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    2. lol, my 40k Armies have fought enough square based Daemons to say: Go for it!

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  6. I thought that the point of apocalypse was that you can use ANYTHING!

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    1. Great, I will bring some Dark Elf Black Guard and a bunch of sorcerers!

      30k =/= 40k

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  7. It says right in Horus Heresy: Book 1, that even though the book uses the same rule sets as Warhammer 40k and (then)Apocalypse, the units aren't balanced for use outside of games against each other. Its right in the introduction to the book. They say that while you certainly CAN use the units in your games of 40k etc....they aren't balanced for normal 40k and probably wont do as well.

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    1. Long and the short of it.....30k units are not designed to be played outside of 30k. Pretty much exactly what they just said about the Glaive.

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    2. Really? Then why are there 4 30k vehicles in the new apoc book if not designed for outside 30k? Hmmmm.

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    3. I imagine they step back and look at each peice individually.

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    4. IDK Father Gabe, if I was the one who wrote the HH book, I'm sure I'd be able to tell you. But it's sure as sunshine written in plain English.

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    5. Morechai part of that was updated with the FAQ. We've tried 30k vs 40k at our store and it wasn't the vehicles that made a difference btw, it was the units (ie Moritat), im sure others have different experiences. With any luck this will be summed up later when its rules are officially released with HH and maybe the next IA Apoc book.

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  8. For how awesome that model is that is a huge disappointment to me as that was going to be the centerpiece for my Salamander army.

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  9. Could always run it as a 'counts as'

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  10. I had a brief chat with FW about this and basically it is because of it's Volkite Carronade, Volkite weapons are currently 30k only

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  11. Is this statement valid for all 30k intended models? :)

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  12. Natfka we want more rules leaks for codex space marines! Not that you and your blog arent awsome, im just impatient :D

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  13. Just bought one of these during my pilgrimage to warhammer world... Shame I need approvals now

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    1. Well, just because you need approval does not necessarily mean you will be denied often. I really view it as intended to be more of a courtesy than anything else.

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  14. If it exist in 30k then it is entirely possible
    to exist in 40k. Besides the apocalypse book its self says that games will never be balanced and shouldn't be played with a tournament mindset. That's why there are disasters and assets so the game master can balance things between turns.

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  15. I would've thought that anything starting with "Legion" indicates that it's designed for a different game system than 40k - expecting to use it in 40k battles is a bit of a leap.

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  16. I think it's good to know, and whilst disappointing, it is worth remembering that the Fellblade is fecking awesome

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  17. Ha-ha-ha to those comparing 30K and FB, 30K still uses 40K rules if not the armylists.

    Personally, I think that 30K units should be allowed in Apocalypse games. Apocalypse is not a tournament-balanced ruleset to begin with, and while the 30K units are balanced towards each other and not 40K units, flat-out refusing to allow them in an Apoc game sounds very rude to me.

    That said, outside a tournament, in a friendly game, I would find it VERY odd to someone refuse to let your opponent use it even once, even without playing against it. But I guess they are the same people who refuse to play against FW's "40K approved" units, too.

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    1. agreed. if someone plunks down the cash for it I'd have no problem with allowing it.

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  18. Hmmm. How about this a) supply some credibility on your statement to us agree or disagree, B) perhaps the reason it didnt not make the cut for this IA book is because it is set to release first with the next Horus Heresy book: Massacre (a much more likely reason it wasnt put into this book.) that new drop pod isnt there does that mean it isnt in it?

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  19. You know what? Run it in your Apoc games anyway. The other FW stuff is so overpowered that it'll fit right in, and the point of Apocalypse seems to be taking things off the board faster than you put them on. What's another gun monster, more or less?

    I hate the hell out of ork Stompas, but my opponent fields them anyway without my approval. Ditto deffrolla-mounting battlewagons. Why shouldn't I do the same with a tank that wipes his green hordes off the table?

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