Which Chaos Legions will see a codex supplement has been a hard topic of conversation. Of course the same can be said for Eldar craftworlds, Space Marine Chapters, and more. This rumor takes a look at the future of these codices, and there is a surprise regarding Tau.


Please remember that these are rumors.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Not all sub factions within 40k will receive supplements. Only those who have the potential to bring an alternate yet characterful play style to the tabletop and have the scope for expanding the lore.

Just over half the space marine chapters of the first founding will receive a supplement.

The mono-god legions will NOT be getting a supplement. It's felt they are well enough reflected in the codex. Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Word Bearers were given as Examples of Chaos Legion Supplements

Out of the four remaining craftworlds, there's only plans to turn three of them into supplements. 

Tau are not scheduled to get a single additional supplement, but instead there's going to be three!!!

I feel that two Tau supplements more than expected might possibly mean support in the way of new miniatures and perhaps a whole new range. GW as a whole may be gearing up behind this. 

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  1. Well I guess that saves me money. Was really wanting to see a World Eaters book.

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    1. Agreed. A real shame... But then again, saves us some money. Funny though, I thought that the mono-god legions were the least represented in the codex; maybe because of their single cult units?

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    2. Agree completely, a wasted opportunity but at least it prevents the additional complexity that would arise from having 9 supplements to the chaos dex.

      My issue is that the way they tried to make the cult legions represented is to allow marks on almost every unit...which just results in a lack of character and the lack of viable builds *cough, 1k sons*

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    3. Agree completely, a wasted opportunity but at least it prevents the additional complexity that would arise from having 9 supplements to the chaos dex.

      My issue is that the way they tried to make the cult legions represented is to allow marks on almost every unit...which just results in a lack of character and the lack of viable builds *cough, 1k sons*

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    4. Iron Warriors need a supplement about as much as Black Legion. Warpsmith, and all of those vehicles / Daemon Engines. That one is the one that gets me if this rumor is true. Adding Mark of Khorne to everything does not make World Eaters. But then again, GW would not make melee effective now would they.

      I feel just as bad for 1k sons.

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    6. Well they've not mentioned Chaos Dameon supplements, I'm hoping this means the mono-god legions are getting tied in with the daemon supplements.

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    7. Doesn't it say 'Iron warriors, Night Lords and World eaters are given as examples of chaos supplements'? Iron Warriors and Night Lords aren't of specific god, right?

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    8. Word Bearers instead of World Eaters, so all three aren't God-specific.

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    9. I would love to see a daemon csm tie in supplement! They completely screwed the synergy between the 2 dexes now. They might as well not even be battle brothers thanks to daemonic instability. The one thing I miss about the 5th ed csm, was the ability to summon daemons without scatter to your icon. I still don't understand why they got rid of that ability with the new dexes. It at least would have been a nice consolation to make up for the D.I. rule.

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    10. I have a feeling they might use word bearers to tie in daemons.. Unfortunately I can't imagine the premise they'd use for a daemons supplement! I still think the daemon dex hasn't been thought out all that well...

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    11. I have thought a bit about what they could do with the Daemon Codex, and suspect IF they do anything (which they might not) there are two possible supplements that I believe are possible; (1) Forge of Souls, and (2) Terrors of the Warp (or some such). (1) would emphasize Soul Grinders and "warp tech" and (2) would focus on non-aligned warp daemons and creatures. I don't think it will happen though.

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    12. I would have loved to have a Deathguard book. Oh well. I can still dream.

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    13. Night Lords supplement, please! And hurry!!! :-D

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    14. Night Lords supplement, please! And hurry!!! :-D

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    15. No World Eater would stand around for a turn after getting his transport destroyed or get tired and take a break from killing right after the turn he charges...I think they're represented terribly by the codex.

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  2. "Whole new range" -- CODEX: SQUATS, erm, Demiurg?

    Then again, what would have been the point to reintroduce Squats in the BRB if they were going to launch their re-imagining aka the Demiurg anyway - unless it's actually a clever marketing ploy to sell the same figures both to Tau players as the Demiurg (with their own rules) and to Squat players to be proxied with SM/IG/Orks rules.

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  3. Without new models/units, I kind of agree with the sentiment regarding the mono-god legions. I'd like to see some IG artillery mixed in with the Iron Warriors legion, which would mean no IW supplement until the IG codex is redone.

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  4. "Not all sub factions within 40k will receive supplements. Only those who have the potential to bring an alternate yet characterful play style to the tabletop and have the scope for expanding the lore."

    ...Yet they're doing Smurfs and Black Legion? O_O

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    1. I dont get it too, thats the two whore Legions in 40k ^^

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    2. What in the CSM codex represents Black Legion? plain CSM?Cultists? Bikers?

      Black legion has 1 thing in the codex that makes it stand apart from being just the standard CSM, and thats Abaddon taking chosen as troops

      Being the main iconic faction doesn't mean they're the most plain and basic.

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    3. To tell the truth, i'd make the following based on 'characterful play style' thing:
      Speed Freaks, Kroot Mercenaries and Catachans.

      They would play very differently, when done right..

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    4. I'm with HawkWall on this - Speed Freaks, Mercs and Catachans would play very differantly (infact they already did a Codex: Catachans yonks back).

      With the GlorySmurfs and Black Legion though, they're hardly any differant from how their presented in the Codex. The only reason I can see any justification for either suppliment is getting some offical rules for Pre-Heresy stuff on the table...which would be trampling Forge World's toe's a bit...

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    5. Mr. Smith, you sum it up perfectly!

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    6. I really am a bit let down.. Do they really think that the Emperors children, World Eaters, Death Guard and Thousand Sons entire legions are really that well represented? 1 unit from each?

      Aren't the word bearers represented equally by the Dark Apostle? The Iron Warriors by the Warpsmith and the demon engines and other tanks, and havocs? Are the Night lords not represented by warptalons and raptors?

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    7. you could argue any chaos legion is well represented by the codex. that said, of the 4 "mono-god" legions I'd argue world eaters are the best represented. with 10k sons kinda need rubic rules for well terminators at the least. the Emperor's (ungreatful)Children could use sonic weapons for terminators and havocs. the death guard likewise could use rules for "plague termies" and "Plague Havoks"

      World Eaters may not be perfect but you can CCW all chaos marine options, thus allowing you to build a VERY choppy force of Khorneites.

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    8. @Brain - And yet the World Eaters by that logic are somehow inappropriate? As an above Commentor noted above, slapping Mark of Khorne on everything does not equal World Eaters anymore than slapping Mark of Tzeench on everything represents Thousand Suns, or slapping Mark of Nurgle represents Death Guard.

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    9. If they do a cata guard book I would retire my chaos army in a heart beat.

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  5. I wouldn't take the Legions too seriously.

    The wording: "Those who have the potential to bring an alternate yet characterful play style to the tabletop" is just too vague. It all depends on the designer's approuch with the Legion itself. In the old dexes these were worked out decently and each had their very own flavour. "The potential to bring an alternate yet characterful play style" sounds too rubbish to me.

    Honestly I expect to see almost every Legion getting a supplement. Supplements means the potential to do new models, which equals more sales and work for their employees. Who doesn't want to see/have new plastics for their cult-umits or even Legion-only units in their army (like fast attack Juggernauts for WE).

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    1. I would buy so many Brazen Knights. (Zerkers on Juggernauts)

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  6. "Just over half the space marine chapters of the first founding will receive a supplement."

    This claim is confusing and seems questionable. The First Founding consisted of the 20 original legions. Of these, absolutely nothing is known of the 2nd and 11th. Of the remaining 18, nine turned traitor and are represented by C:CSM.

    Of the 9 loyal legions, three have their own codexes already (i.e., Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels). Thus, C:SM represents only six of the 20 First Founding legions/chapters.

    Is the source saying that just over half of all the First Founding chapters will be represented (which isn't possible) or that just over half of the six First Founding chapters represented by C:SM will get supplements? If the latter, does he mean that only four will receive supplements? The supplements that have been mentioned thus far (White Scars, Raven Guard, and Ultramarines) already account for half the possible First Founding chapters.

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    1. I think Space Marine chapters of the First Founding includes those who turned traitor. So that's 18 chapters, minus the 3 who have their own dex: B and D Angels and Wolves.

      So just over half would be just over half of 15. Half of 15 is 7.5 so just over half could mean at least 8.

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    2. so WS, Raven Guard, UM, Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Nightlords, Word Bearers are said to be coming.
      7/15.
      none of the mono gods, so 7/11 possible.
      that leaves Salamanders, Iron Hands, Imperial Fists for the Imperium and alpha legion for the Chaos. Salamanders and Iron Hands seem the most likely, but that is all speculation.
      Unless they count a 13th company supplement for space wolves as one (but even then there would still be one more codex chapter supplement, to get above 1/2)

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    3. The way it reads, I'd say they either meant over half of all First Founding legions (ie, 10/18), or over half if the loyal ones (ie, 5/9). I see no reason to assume that he meant "Just over half of the Space Marine Legions which aren't already represented by individual codecies). If it's 5 loyal supplements, I'd think UM, RG, Sa, IF, and WS. This just leaves the poor IH out in the cold.

      If it's ten they mean, add in IH, then throw forth BL, IW, NL & WB. Then we're just ignoring The Big Four, and AL. Of course 'just over' could still easily mean 6/9 (hence all loyalists), or everyone except for codex chapters, and the Mono Gods (from GWs perspective, these are akin to codex legions, whether they're right or not).

      So, considering we've already had rumours for UM, WS, RG & BL, and considering he suggests the WB, NL & IW will get supplements, the 'just over half' deal basically says '2 or 3 more loyalists, and (maybe) Alpha Legion.'

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  7. Too many flaws in this rumour post, as others have pointed out.
    It really seems to be mere contradiction of the other post on supplement plans, which to me means mischievous misdirection.

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    1. Yeh these rumours are clearly chaff.

      /ignore

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    2. yeah about all we can detirmine from thisn post and the other is 10k son players proably shouldn't hold their breath

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  8. I was just thinking about this the other day when I discovered that another Tau supplement was coming... What could another supplement possibly be? Is it three total or three more? Anyway, while we're speculating...

    Another breakaway Tau sept is unlikely as the fluff doesn't quite support it, and the only real difference in the septs is their color and markings, not necessarily gameplay.

    There is certainly enough fluff to support a full Kroot supplement. There's actually already a fan-developed Kroot Codex available if you dig around a little. (so there is one potential supplement right there).

    Then, there may possibly be enough for the Vespids, but that would be a bit of a stretch. Unless GW comes up with some new models there just isn't enough there yet. Though I could see an allied detachment of the bugmen as a very fast, close combat army (like in the video game). So there's two.

    Another likely supplement would be the other, less prominent Xenos in the empire including the Demiurg, Nicassar, Morallian Deathsworn, Ji'Atrix, Tarellian Dog Soldiers, Galg, Hrenian Light Infantry, and the Ranghon. (All mentioned in at least one GW/FW publication). There's three.

    The last may be the Hrud, but unlike the others I have mentioned, I have never seen anything linking the space-skaven to the Tau specifically.

    These allies could potentially bring psychers, speed, and other assets and game-changing mechanics to the Tau. I personally am excited. But you may take it for what it's worth.

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    1. Hruds( or Hurds?) has been expurged during the Great Crusade, the species is extinct.( now this might been retconned like anything else in 6th...)

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    3. Hrud.

      And they do indeed still exist. It is true that their homeworlds were subject to exterminatus by the Iron Warriors chapter, but that only got some of them. They are now a spacefaring race stowing away on cargo ships and infesting backwater worlds far from the eyes of man.

      There is a long list of Hrud infestations and interdictions by Eldar, Ork, and Imperium forces including the SM Last Chancers and Star Phantoms, Cadians, Valhallan Ice Warriors, and the Mordian Acid Dogs (?)

      After your question, I did a little research to be sure... and I made a little mistake. According to the Lexicanum, the Hrud did indeed serve as mercenaries for the Tau for a while, and some sources say that there are still Hrud colonies in Tau space.

      There is more, much more about these nasty misshapen morasses of decomposing filth if you're interested...
      http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hrud#.UfQ2BWzn-Uk

      I hope neither they nor the squats appear in a supplement.

      No Space Skaven. No Space Dwarves.

      Period.

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    4. A possibility I forgot to mention is the gue'vesa, or Human Auxillaries. These are basically Humans caught up in the Tau Empire's Third Sphere of expansion, who have joined forces with the tau either willingly or under coercion.

      Many Tau players already model these troops using IG Cadian and Tau Firewarrior parts.

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    5. I'm dubious about these rumours for the same reason you are. When I heard there would be an Allies Supplement, I was stoked. Of course, even then I was taking salt. Now we're hearing 3 more supplements? That seems too far.

      As to what they could be:
      - an allies supplement is an obvious pick. In the Empire of Aliens, it just makes too much sense:

      - Now, they could perhaps separate the Kroot from this. I fully agree that Kroot have enough depth for their own supplement; it's the allies I worry about. Sure, there's plenty of room for background, but what about model support? We've to Vespids, but without more models, I don't see this working.

      - Does that mean that Vespid might get their own book, that includes background on the other races? It seems possible, but is still a stretch.

      - Gue'vesa? I think I could see that happening. The models are already there, so no need to produce more (except maybe a designated Gue'vesa leader model). The background, though? They wouldn't have much to work with, so there'd be a lot of new ground, but that doesn't really discount the possibility. My main reservation is that Gue'vesa have previously had little-to-no support. FW made some rules, but even these missed out on the official tag.

      - Second breakaway faction? Not happening. Forget it.

      - Sept supplements? I doubt it. There aren't really any septs that are unique enough to warrant a supplement. Maybe a Third Sphere Supplement, though. I wouldn't count on it, but it's a possibility.

      - Shadowsun Supplement? Again, I wouldn't count on it, but you never know. It might be a Stealth based supplement, allowing Pathfinders or XV25s to be troops. Hell, it might even introduce unique XV15 rules. But really, it doesn't seem likely.

      - Way of War supplement? Maybe. Focusing perhaps on either Kauyon or Mont'ka, or maybe covering both, with references to other tactics. I wouldn't expect something like this, but it's a possibility.

      Alright, those are all of the possibilities coming to mind. Some seem outright unlikely, but you never know where they'll go with them. As I said, I'm expecting a single allies supplement, but if they really do three more, I'd expect a Gue'vesa supplement, and an allies supplement, then Either some other In-Empire Tau-centric supplement, or a solely Kroot supplement.

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  9. Chaos daemon supplements are coming, although the one you get is randomly determined by the roll of 72d6, re-rolling 6s, 3, and 2, then if those roll a 1, 3 or 5, you have to roll another 10d6 and consult a table to see if you get the other book, then a further 6d6 on another table which lists every other unit bar daemon ones, none of which you can take in your army.

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    1. Hahahaha! So very sadly accurate!

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    2. Good one! But I very much suspect if they do Daemon supplements that they will have a character not far removed from your joke pegboard. Daemons love tables apparently.

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  10. *fingers crossed for a Tau supplement that unlocks pathfinders as troops*

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    1. Sadly, I doubt this will ever happen.

      People already complain about Tau being OP, imagine up to twelve more units laying down markerlight love on the battlefield. Besides, pathfinders in Troop slots leave less room for firewarriors with pulse rifles.

      That, and tears would flow like wine from the pink-skins.

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  11. Please be Ulthwe who gets one of the suppliments

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    1. Not sure exactly what they could do to make Ulthwe that special. All Guardians are essentially Black Guardians with the new upgrade to their base stats. Granted Alaitoc is in the same boat seeing as their claim to fame are lots of scouts. Biel-Tan and Saim-Hann are locks according to their standard.

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  12. I am most looking forward to word bearers. I really hope that it is kind of a supplement for both chaos daemons and csm at the same time without allying...oh the possibilities!

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  13. I wonder if Daemons on their own will get the supplement treatment...

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  14. My first hope was for my alpha legion but I've decided my current concept is better: use whichever codex fits your style and paint them blue/silver and maybe a little green.
    Consider that alphas adapted techniques of anyone they found useful: the reason for their original conflict with ultrasmurfs. My current uses codex marines with scout units as "cultists". Use a "counts-as" character renamed to get whichever ability you want (like my "not-shrike" for that fluffy alpha deep strike).

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  15. These rumours are so random. Well I want,
    iron hands
    World eaters
    Thousand sons
    Emperors children
    death guard
    Rainbow warriors.
    Doesn't look like ill get what I want.... :-p

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  16. "The mono-god legions will NOT be getting a supplement. It's felt they are well enough reflected in the codex."

    "Tau are not scheduled to get a single additional supplement, but instead there's going to be three!!!"

    Well fuck you too GW...

    Really well done in the dex,...my hairy arse, would want a talk with you...

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    1. Though don't think its fair to point to one army and say "they got three, we get crap" based solely on rumors, I do agree with you that there certainly enough fluff and gameplay differences to warrant a large number of CSM legions.

      I also think its important to point out that as none of the rumors are sanctioned by GW, none of them are carved in stone. The absence of rumors pointing to a supplement, or even the presence of rumors predicting against them does not necessarily have any bearing on their eventuality.

      Many predictions have proven false, and many others just plain got it wrong. So keep your shirts on lads, and put away the blue paint, we don't need a Celtic revolt. And let's just wait it out. GW has trained us all on how to do that very well.

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    2. As for the hairy arse, I recommend nair. It's how we Tau keep the Kroot under control. :)

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  17. "The mono-god legions will NOT be getting a supplement. It's felt they are well enough reflected in the codex."

    I mean Black Legion IS the codex and they get a supplement. So is the Ultramarines rumors...

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  18. Strange. I'm not a chaos marine player myself but I always thought from a design/miniatures perspective - the four cult legions had a lot of potential. I mean imagine if all 4 got a multi-unit box similar to the grey knights power armour set. I'm sure something like that would sell extremely well too. I'd be genuinely curious to know why they feel that way about the cult legions. I am intrigued!

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  19. Remember the old Slaanesh list? Sonic weaponry on Dreads and Predators? Chaos Lord w/ the Doom Siren? I can see a supplement for the Cult Legions. I wouldn't care if one supplement contained all 4. I would be extremely excited to see Iron Warriors get a supplement, I'm one of those Iron Within, Iron Without kind of guys.

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    1. "I wouldn't care if one supplement contained all 4." [chaos legions].

      Now that would be a great supplement!

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  20. Imperial Guard release will be fucking amazing :D Tallarans, Armageddon Steal Legion, vostroyans... supplement on supplement :D

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  21. >Only those who have the potential to bring an alternate yet characterful play style to the tabletop and have the scope for expanding the lore.
    Black Legion and Ultramarines sure are tactically divergent from their respective codices.
    Admittedly, I might be just bitter, because I've got around fifty cult terminators of various flavors, again as many cult havocs, fourteen cult dreads, and a slew of cult sorcs, lords and princes gattering dust.

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  22. I cannot fathom how cults wouldnt give more options. Biased as I am for World Eaters, as others say, no World Eaters, no money of mine gets spent..

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  23. This post isn't so much rumours as it is simply common sense and guessing. Oh really, not every faction is going to have a supplement? You mean they're not going to put out seven-hundred identical supplements with the lore and pictures swapped around?

    Woah!

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  24. Predicting Alaiotic will be skipped. Here's hoping for plastic aspects & new jetbikes.

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    1. What does Ulthwe bring to the table though?

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    2. New dual guardian kits? Maybe new plastic council?

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  25. Soon there will be supplements for your supplements... Oh, well. I do agree the notion that if they would make Supplement that would include all 4 chaos Mono-God units: Death Guard, Thousand Sons, World Eater's and Emperor's Children I would buy that in a heart beat. Iron warrior, they have always intrigued me very much though.

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  26. I seem to recall a rumor about cultist terminators... That sounds very ominous to a Tau player...

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