Space Marines will be one of, and probably the largest release of the year. After all they its Space Marines. For such a important release, we know so very little. We know its coming soon, probably September, with a White Scars supplement that very same month.


Space Marines September
White Scars the same month
Ravenguard to follow
Ultramarines down the road a little

Here is some newer information regarding Space Marines. Are we going to be seeing these larger models? And what else?

via Larry Vela on the Bols
Regarding the "larger terminators" - these models are described as being similar in aesthetic to the curving shapes of both the Contemptor and Tau Stealth suits. Bigger than current Terminators - but smaller than a Dreadnought.

Regarding the "big kit" - this model has been described as being the "lovechild of an existing Dreadnought, and a Contemptor - but ENORMOUS.  It has also been described as a "Knight" with the following old EPIC images hinted at:



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  1. I really don't think SPace Marines need a large walker like the Riptide or Wraithknight. Don't get me wrong I play Marines and if we do get one I will buy it for sure but Knight Titans belong to the mechanicus not the Astartes. What I really want to know is if my beloved Salamanders will get their own supplement sometime in the future, fingers crossed on that one.

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    1. Yes, definitely need some salamander love.

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    2. I would bet you anything Salamanders will get one. Pretty much every known faction, and a few lesser known ones, will eventually get supplements.

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    3. I am dying for a salamanders supplement

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  2. Dark angels a (near) Codex Astartes Army doesn't have these "knights", so why we believe that Vanila SM would take them in the Army roster.... Secondly if Space marines will have a new type of model that must then be a Monstous Creature, not lil bigger terminators.

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    1. Or the Dark Angels have the most badass terminators in the game, the best bikers and speeders, and two flyers unique to their army.

      They are trying to differentiate each chapter, not make them more alike.

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    2. As a Dark Angels player, I will be severely butt-hurt if Space Marines get a terminator variant that Deathwing doesn't have access to (without allies obviously).

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    4. that's the problem with the variant marine codexes in a nutshell though Noah. they need to diffrentiate them, and ensure there's a reason to play vanilla marines at all. give the vanilla marines something cool and people are gonna wanna know why the dark angels, black templars space wolves and blood angels aren't using it. I imagine it's particularly difficult from a fluff POV too.

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    5. I really don't understand why they made a dark angels codex.
      It should have been a vanilla space marine codex and dark angels should have gotten a supplement like every other chapter seems to be getting...
      every one of these supplements (and the upcoming vanilla codex) is going to be better and stronger than the DA codex.
      That annoys me. Yeah cool I have deathwing, but I bet ravenguard and white scars will be better armies than the ravenwing, and the two unique fliers are crap.
      What's a deathwing army without a mega terminator dreadnought thing?

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  3. Well I also wonder if dark angels will get access to some of the kits via FAQ or something would hate to lose out like we did on the storm raven and be directed to forge world or be forced to take allies don't get me wrong I love my dark angels with the exception of our flyer love the kit dislike the stats just my opinion

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    1. Prepare for disappointment. They did this last time DA came out, I fully expect them to do it again. It'll probably mean another few years of most DA players playing their DA as "Green Marines."

      Sigh. :(

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    2. Really? You have knights, unique landspeeders, fliers, and bike units.

      Shheeeesh, what makes you think the knights of caliban WANT the huge walkers?

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    3. The Dark Angels have plenty of unique units, wargear, and special rules that the vanilla marines won't get, so stop whining. Nearly all of the 6th edition books were written together to avoid the repeat of the garbage edition that was 5th.

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    4. Yeah i think the DA are good like they are.

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    5. I never said that they were not good yes they have cool stuff that is currently unique to them but the flyer is what I was a little down about and the new landspeeders are cool except the one can glance itself to death in one turn all I am saying is it would be nice to be able to include the new "knight" dreadnought kit without allies.another rumor pointed out that rules may come in the box that would make FAQing a unit into an existing codex very easy

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    6. I love it when non-dark angel players start talking about how awesome the DA book is. Lets see, Deathwing, surely awesome. Too bad there is so much AP2 on the table now that they get mowed down like wheat. Bikers... Bike armies are strong, unless your opponent has a lot of tanks and flyers... Knights... Possibly 3 units at a min of 50 bucks a kit. Nice option. The new speeders just suck. A plasma speeder that has two HP and can glance itself everytime it shoots. A floating cathedral that really is only useful for bike armies, but then you lose those fancy knights. The flyers do suck. The Nephilim is the better of the two, but the best it has is a twin linked lascannon? How is that AA? You really can only use it for anti-infantry and then you might be able to glance other flyers with bullet spam. Not even going to talk about that other one.

      Being written at the same time is the dumbest excuse I have ever heard. IF that were true, Codex Chaos might be beatable with DA. Daemons might be beatable with DA. I have friends playing SM that do better against these armies that my DA.

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    7. i agree it would be a shame to see the DA go without if other chapters like blood angels and the like will receive these new models as well as there own chapter exclusive models because there codex gets released after the stock codex.

      Lets hope the DA get a supplement for the Ironwing and to right some of the wrongs with the new models.

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    8. A LSV box with one useful build. The other kills itself when it fires.

      Terminators that die to mass small arms fire.

      Useless fliers.

      RWK are cool until you face anyone that ignores jink, because somehow flying on a bike is equivalent to a cover save.

      Unless they want the 6th edition poster boys to fall by the wayside, they should throw the DA players a bone and not screw them like they traditionally have.

      The DA codex sucks. Find me one person that plays it, and thinks its good. I'll borrow my homies Nurgle CSM and wipe them easily.

      The vanilla codex shouldn't be our savior. It's a crap outcome.

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    9. I think this is where supplements could step in. If codex creep starts to become a problem or new models become available, a supplement can quickly (and profitably) bring other codexes up to speed.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming Black Legion supplement was partially motivated by criticism of the Chaos Space Marines codex. Perhaps a non-Deathwing/non-Ravenwing supplement could be used to introduce a giant walker. A Deathwing supplement could bring in Battlesuits... uh, I mean "big terminators". At the rate they're releasing these supplements, within a couple years those playing by the basic codex might be in the minority.

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    10. If they put a rules sheet in with the releases so that other astartes chapter can use them, a lot of people will be happy. I don't mean characters btw, but rhino and terminator variants should go to every chapter.

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    11. Not to mean I disagree with the supplement idea. Just haven't heard any rumors for a Deathwing or Greenwing supplement.

      As much as I want a DW supplement to make them playable, a GW supplement to introduce new models and expand on the companies that use astartes rules would be awesome man.

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    12. "a twin linked lascannon? How is that AA?"

      .... you're joking right? seriously tell me you're being sarcasitic? for a fighter devoted to killing other air units the Twin-linked Lascannon is argueably your best tool. A Lascannon has a STR of 9. most fliers only havs 12 or 13 armor which means you're penatrating their armor with EASE. and has a +1 roll on the vehicle damage table due to it's high AP. no the Nephalium can't one shot a flier but the twin linked LC is defiantly capable of harrying a enemy flier. and yeah the Nephilum is also a nasty anti ground force. it's clearly intended to be a force capable of dogfighting while also engaging "soft targets" on the ground. I'm not sure what you're mad about other then it's not a STR 9 apoclypse blast template AP 1 autokill I win platform

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    13. Yeah, I know the math. Let me lay some more on ya, it costs 180 pts in the FA slot. The rest of the armament is HBs and st6 missles. Tell me that makes it a great buy? Dogfighting doesn't exist. Who the hell is dogfighting anywhere but at home. Oh, and flyers NEVER drop from a one shot. Roll to hit, Reroll to hit, Roll to Pen, Roll to Evade. Four rolls vs your one shot to take out a flyer. Flyers drop from mass firepower, not a single twin linked lascannon.

      And no, if you didn't get the theme of my previous post, I was not sarcastic. Merely laying it out as I, a DA player, see it. Obviously I am not alone either.

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    14. One if the big problems that I never see mentioned with the nephilim is that it cant hover, so that lascannon only gets 1 or 2 (at best) shots off per game at its intended target.

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    15. I'm so tired of dark angel players bitching about how they can't beat anyone. Lol I'm truly ashamed to count you all as being among the emperors first legion. NEVER had a problem with the vengeance glancing itself, do you even own one or are you just against something simply because you don't have any sense on how to utilize it? And the dark shroud helps more units then just the basic ravenwing bikers don't kid yourself.

      And Der....your posts are just regurgitating of the same meritless reasoning. You see, I'm a dark angel player that actually knows how to use the codex, iv tabled chaos 4 of the 6 times iv played them since the release. Including nurgle players. Iv also tabled the wolves, blood angels and the new eldar. If you can't beat chaos as a dark player, you are a truly incompetent human being.

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    16. And Mr. Cain. If your so worries about plasma weapons getting hot, probably picked the wrong army guy. Just saying.

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    17. And dont give a crap about the "exception to the rule guy"... Just because you are the one out of a thousand that has good luck with the book only tells me that your local CSM sucks. Come play in my field, or the other "Bitching" DA players fields. I've played in 20 states with DA. They have been subpar since 3rd. As for fear of Gets Hot. I'm not afraid of gets hot. I use plasma guns regularly, I do however hate Plasma Cannons. So if you have any more cherry picking, I'm here. Though I am hardly the only one who has expressed issue with this book, I am intrigued by you choosing me as your target.

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    18. Especially when you hide behind an Avatar name. Tsars are Russian nobility the were made extinct by the commies.

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    19. Real name is Travis renek. I'm Russian, think I know what the name means. No hiding.

      And iv played many places myself. all over California, phx and Tucson.

      It's not so much luck, it's actually using the codex. Lol and giving your pretentious retort, i guess the fact you posses the codex and still cry about it is a an example if GW casting pearls mong swine.

      I would not like to argue among fellow dark angels players. And f.y.i the chaos player iv been mainly matched with, has been playing since 2nd edition. His name is Sean, lives in Tucson, I can give you his number, no one is hiding here.

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    20. And I was directing it all at you. Mainly at Der Folicious...dude posts the same droll time and time again.

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    21. Personal attacks don't make me think you're good at the game, or forming a standpoint to make me rethink the strength of the book. You're one guy who thinks its good in a sea of haters, Tsar.

      You're defeating helldrakes, flying mace princes, and oblits with not trouble using DA? You're not using allies to fill gaps? You're either lying, or your local CSM players are taking it easy on you.

      Keep thinking its amazing, ill wait for your name to pop up online. Because surely the day someone builds a list that isn't RW dev banner list the interwebz will go insane.

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    22. Go ahead and explain how you utilize the book, Tsar. Literally the whole world is waiting.

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    23. Lol personal attacks? Nah sorry, was voicing an opinion on your views, not you personally. Are you able to differentiate the two?

      And as for as telling you how to utilize a codex just proves your incompetence. Lol I can spit examples, but again, it'd be casting pearls among swine. Like I said before, you just regurgitate meritless points of view.

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    24. I don't see you spitting out any tactics, Tsar. Back your words up. Prove me wrong.

      What's stopping you?

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    25. I just see you repeating a religious idiom repeadtly, a idiom most would take as a stab at their intelligence or character. Not very nice to refer to people as swine, even in the context of a common idiom.

      Go against te grain of popular opinion any day, but you should be prepared to explain why. Sorry my opinion are commonly posted online, it's the general critique of the book.

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    26. I win alot with my DA (and i rarely play the same list more than 3 times so Ive played the best and worst of the codex) against very good opposition with different armies. However, winning and losing is not the issue, there are glaring holes within the codex that are silly and should be recognized and talked about because that's how progress is made.

      The "stop bitching" posts are useless if you don't like the comment then simply dont read any further and don't comment because people should stop bitching about people bitching.

      and so with this post I have created a paradox because now I am now bitching about people bitching about people bitching.

      I hate the internet.

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    27. Now, now, let's all be nice and avoid personal attacks or Naftka's going to close his blog to comments again.

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    28. Here here I agree I have only got to play one game thus far with my da got kids and wife and I both work but my game ended in a draw but could have been a win but a mistake on my part last turn. I play deathwing and greenwing combo for now. I do want to use both flyers to see how they tag team with ground forces. I still think they are a bit pricey based solely on the numbers but again synergy being more than the sum of its parts and all. as far as the landspeeder vengeance glancing to death it is the same for any vehicle with gets hot in 6th that was the rule change I noticed most last year I still want one.However, my main point was I would like to see either through supplement or rules in the box access or limited access to say for example some of the rhino variants as they probably came from forge world if that rumor pans out. we still don't have twinlinked autocannons in box for dreadnoughts so no worries of killing forge world sales there. I guess I can wait til the other space marine codexes come out to see but as another pointed out I would hate to be the prototype and everyone else after c:sm get those but because da came before they be out of luck. But if I have to ally I will because I want the models but would prefer not to have to. and if anyone wanted to know I haven't used any banners I am still experimenting but at the point level I play I haven't seen to cost rewards ratio to be worth it in my style of play. good luck may u always roll sixes unless u need less of course :)

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    29. Here here I agree I have only got to play one game thus far with my da got kids and wife and I both work but my game ended in a draw but could have been a win but a mistake on my part last turn. I play deathwing and greenwing combo for now. I do want to use both flyers to see how they tag team with ground forces. I still think they are a bit pricey based solely on the numbers but again synergy being more than the sum of its parts and all. as far as the landspeeder vengeance glancing to death it is the same for any vehicle with gets hot in 6th that was the rule change I noticed most last year I still want one.However, my main point was I would like to see either through supplement or rules in the box access or limited access to say for example some of the rhino variants as they probably came from forge world if that rumor pans out. we still don't have twinlinked autocannons in box for dreadnoughts so no worries of killing forge world sales there. I guess I can wait til the other space marine codexes come out to see but as another pointed out I would hate to be the prototype and everyone else after c:sm get those but because da came before they be out of luck. But if I have to ally I will because I want the models but would prefer not to have to. and if anyone wanted to know I haven't used any banners I am still experimenting but at the point level I play I haven't seen to cost rewards ratio to be worth it in my style of play. good luck may u always roll sixes unless u need less of course :)

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    30. The bad thing is, if the DA dex had been released in 5th, it would be solid. The 6th edition rules just squash what good there is in the book. Hell, Libbys cant even take storm shields.

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    31. Def...lol if I need to explain how to beat chaos with an anti-chaos army, then there's no use explaining it. And I'm very proud to see that you grasped the difference between a personal attack and a distinguishable opinion. Hence me adding a meager slight in my last post.

      And yea I do ignore posts I don't like, but the thing if it is, just really jaded with the anti D.A posts. It turns out to be the same individuals everytime.

      I'm opposed to played just Deathwing or just ravenwing. I use all 3 wings as much as I'm able. That's D.A. Combat doctrine. And is what the winged sword stands for, one wing for the first two companies, with the others represented by the sword. Least that's what I take from it. As far as your elementary school attempt at guessing I only field some tool bag army list DerFolicious.

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  4. If anyone is going to have "Knights" it should be Imperial Guard. Just like the flyers of the Imperial Navy, the Mechanicus tends to fight alongside the Imperial Guard.

    The only "big" thing for Space Marines is their Thunderhawk.

    Bigger Terminators? Doubt it! Unless Games Workshop are going True Scale, which I wouldn't object to but all those long term devoted fans with entire Battle Companies will be rightly miffed.

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    1. Just to clarify: I'm not saying Space Marines are getting a plastic Thunderhawk; just that that is their only "big" thing.

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    2. Seeing as how GW owns the fluff, they can modify it to fit whatever units they want to come up with.

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    3. Obviously the mysterious twenty-third Primarch Vladimire Squigglebottom discussed the matter of the super elevated bipedal transgender cyber suit with techno magos Pony Snark. Thus was the bigger better Terminator suit created.

      In the meantime disco magos Stargo Vony wanted to prove to Pony Snark that "his was bigger" so created the Ultra bipedal super stomping rave engine.

      Both magos were frowned upon my the Machanicus so the Space Marines welcomed their designs. Just to stick two fingers up at the Mechanicus whose older suits really chaffed.

      It's fun messing up fluff. Should do it more often. Gave me a laugh, hope any who read this enjoyed it's absurd stupidity.

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    4. It's true that GW owns the fluff and, for all I know, they'll come up with a good story. Either way, if Marines get Battlesuits and/or a monstrous creature, I'll be one of the first to buy them.

      At the same time, the fluff loses something when it becomes so mutable. A huge part of the Imperium's story is that they're so backwards that their technology has been almost completely static for 10,000 years. There are even some chapters that won't use the Razorback because the design is "only" 6,000 years old. Any new models can't be said to be a new design and the "newly discovered STC" story is getting worn out. To top it off, Terminator armor would lose a lot of its awe and mystique if there is a superior suit of armor.

      If there are going to be Marine Battlesuits, for the fluff's sake I hope that they don't compete with Terminators, either in their role or in their durability. I was thinking along the lines of a slow and purposeful, two-wound model with power armor stats. The suits could be portrayed as add-ons to standard power armor and intended to allow Marines to carry more firepower than a Tactical Marine but remain more mobile than Devastators. They could carry mid-strength weapons (e.g., short-barreled autocannons, twin-linked plasma guns) or lower strength, high rate of fire weapons (e.g., hurricane bolters, heavy bolters). For some variety, maybe they could even tie into the Horus Heresy and bring some Volkite weapons.

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  5. I guess I don't know "Loyalist" fluff as much, but aren't dark angels more known for bikes, terminators, and plasma? Please correct me if I am wrong. But Dark angels (as I have faced them) have an abundance of each of those. Fluff wise, do they commonly use specialized walkers and giant terminators, etc?

    As a CSM player, I fear the Space Marines codex as being even more "Anti-CSM" than dark angels.

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    1. Dark Angels are the First Legion, and tend to have most stuff, just normally hidden away in The Rock. We also Developed a new LandRaider Variant... Who wouldn't want a landraider with a Demolisher Cannon.

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    2. DA use alot of Landraiders apparently and use Mortis dreadnoughts, sabre tank hunters. They are known to be very stubborn and are masters of strategy and planning .

      The Ravenwing and Deathwing always steal the show from everyone in green armour. The other 8 companies of the DA, in my opinion have yet to be represented properly in the rules.

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    3. You got more tools with drakes/oblits/mace princes.

      I play CSM a lot, some close games but majority losses for me.

      The DA really scare you?

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    4. sure. for a start in a fight for air superiority DAs would win. you can put 3 Nephlims out for roughly the cost of a helldrake. and unless those hell drakes have autocanons about all they can do is hope you give em the case to "move through" them

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    5. ROFL! you must be joking! A Nephilim is 180 pts. Helldrake is 170. You can take the flamer to kill my green marines all day and still take out my Nephilim with flybys. Even if you keep the autocannons, Nephilim are armor 11. Your drake has a turret, it can driveby and shoot at the same time. The only air superiority we do have is flakk missiles on ground units that gain no advantage from cover when dealing with your drakes.

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    6. This was also my pain. DA's salvation comes in the form of a Mortis Dreadnought with two twin-linked lascannons with skyfire and interceptor. All is not lost.

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    7. Unless your club doesn't allow forgeworld...

      The problem is GW promotes Forgeworld, but doesn't embrace it. They are so busy keeping them separate entities that they literally are treated as two separate game systems...

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    8. Indeed, well thats unfortunate that your club says no to forgeworld because FW is fun.

      The new quad lascannon fortification is the best bet if not then hope you get your nephilim on the table early fly it down the very edge of the board and try and look for a rear shot on the heldrake with the avenger mega bolter as we all know a frontal attack wont cut the mustard as it has a better chance of saving the shot than you do glancing it.

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    9. Oh, Forgeworld is OK for pickup games. Nobody will say no to that. But most all the pickup games are testing new tournament lists and thus nobody buys Forgeworld because its not allowed in the tournaments unless we are playing Apoc.

      Bit of a conundrum.

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  6. Yeh I'm not even close to being excited really. Maybe it's overhang from an imperium dominated 5th edition but Space Marines are just Space Marines really. I'll pick up the dex for a 'know your enemy' overview but uber terminators and an imperial riptide aren't getting me excited. Frankly I think it's lazy on GWs part. Am I alone in this thinking?

    P.S. No disrespect to die hard SM players, I hope you guys get a cool dex that stands the test of time, I just consider these model rumours really uninspiring.

    P.P.S. No disrespect to natfka either, I appreciate his rumour postings, I'm just being a typical internet whiner in regards to GW's design direction (oh look another monstrous creature) not the rumour suppliers.

    P.P.P.S. Not that SM don't deserve a cool new model, but just throwing a new MC at each army feels like a cop out.

    P.P.P.P.S. Sorry about all the BSing in the P.S.ing.

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    1. I agree with your monstrous creature opinion.

      What I would like to see from a space marine codex is great rules for tactics. Something where they have rules representing intelligent, tactical counters for many situations.

      I don't want to face an army of super terminators. We already have grey knights for that.

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    2. I'm a Space Marine fan and I get what you're saying. It will be nice to have a few new toys but bigger Terminators and a Space Marine mini-Titan is not the way to go.

      Give us a plastic Thunderhawk. Make the Sternguard and Vanguard Veterans plastic. Perhaps a new varient of an existing Tank or Land Speeder. Then be done with it.

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    3. I agree with you.
      I really feel GW is being really lazy. When a new codex was released it used to be a complete overhaul of the old codex. I know every1 bashes matt ward and yes, that guy cant write fluff, but he can write rules. Just look at the necron codex, grey knight codex, blood angles codex. They are all powerful and resonably balanced codex's and they were all basically a re-write of the old codex (okay with demons he went a bit mental with tzeentch but then fixed them in this edittion). So far I have been so uninspired by GW pandering to 10-12 year olds.

      I think this is their buisness model though. Focus GW products on kids (10-12 year olds) and forgeworld products on adults.

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    4. They aren't being lazy; they are trying to ensure that every army has a balanced/counter unit to place on the field comparable to their enemies. You've never heard of armies in a "bomb race" or something to compete with each other? Nations constantly borrow tech and ideas from one another to compete with the enemy.

      Besides, a lot of this stuff existed back in the RT and Epic days; GW is simply bringing them back. That appeals to the long-standing veterans, not 10 year olds. On that note, however, they need to attract new players into the game to sustain it; can't sell to 40 year old losers forever.

      As far as model releases: of course GW will release new toys. There is NO WAY they are going to release a bunch of new kits for one army (Tau or Eldar), and then just perform a small update to another (Space Marines). There would be a much larger outcry of "unfair!" when one army gets 3-4 new kits and a bunch of clampacks while the other gets nothing. Also, it's their freaking business model. Their business is selling models. They are never just going to release a full-blown codex without them. I know you all are simply not creative enough to dare change your army list or try something new (and thus want every entry to stay the same forever), but that's not how any table top company does it. Finally, the Thunderhawk would likely not be released alongside the codex, but with an Apocalypse supplement. Expect 2-3 completely new kits, one old kit updated to plastic (a la Wraithguard and Pathfinders), and 3-4 clampacks for character models.

      Is it a little bog standard when every army follows that format? Sure, but it's fair and balanced. Every army can fight the Monstrous Creature battle in some capacity. Every army can fight with fliers in some capacity. Every army can issue challenges in some capacity. None of them do it the same way, however, and each require proper tactics to be utilized effectively.

      P.S. The Blood Angels codex is currently one of the worst in 6th edition. Otherwise, yes, I agree that Matt Ward can write good rules.

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    5. I'm a 30 year old loser by the way.

      And I've yet to collect an army since I prefer the FFG RPG's. I'm just getting into the hobby properly so have no problems with army lists or anything new.

      Of course a Thunderhawk would be Apocalypse. You don't see Baneblades in Codex Imperial Guard or Stompaz in Codex Orks. Yet.

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    6. I also concur, especially after the way the Wraithknight was handled. I have a sneaking suspicion the sole reason these are happening is that they're trying to compete with PP's Colossals, fluff be damned.

      It's like the Tau Riptide all over again.

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  7. At Enter the Citadel, Jes Goodwin said Imperials probably aren't going to get big walker kits like the Tau and Eldar got with the Riptide and Wraithknight, so I'm applying liberal amounts of sodium here.

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    1. Aye, and Hastings, whose rumours are pretty much fact, never made any mention of a new walker when he was talking about the new SM releases. Just the larger Terminators and new Rhino variants.

      I don't expect to see that big walker either.

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    2. Pretty much. He hinted at APCs, too...

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    3. As much as I'd like a big walker, I'm starting to think it might be too good to be true. I'm still waiting for the Imperial knight titan that was supposedly going to be released with Apocalypse.

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  8. I'm still betting on dreadknight repack with a generic additional sprue, chalk on a few bucks and bam. more movement of same product, increased profit for said product. same as what they did to the grey knights/blood angels with the flyer.

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    1. except w the extra spure.... just charged us more and told us to paint it blue.... lol

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    2. You are both wrong; that won't be happening.

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    3. But it is a reasonable concept to chew on. when the what is now every marine who wants it flyer came out, it was just blood and grey. I could see a few things doing things like this. heck, all the chaos tanks are this way.

      however, McD, I would assume you are more in the know than I. seeing as I read this blog like some read the sports pages of the local gazette and know you're rather active.

      you have to admit it's kinda logical to only pay for the min to earn the max as a company and that is cheaper than something new from scratch and occupies the smallest floor space(for.run, storage and sales)

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    4. on the other hand they're also moving away from that too. it woulda been easy to pad C:CSM with a chaos whirlwind and or landspeeder but they didn't.

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  10. How about something like this one:

    http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/8/8f/TerminatorB.JPG

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    1. That almost looks like a Rogue Trader era Dread thats been turned into a terminator.

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  12. The larger terminators description brought the old Imperial Robots to mind... not saying that they'll be robots in the book, but they do seem to be nodding back to older models with some of the other releases.

    http://www.solegends.com/citcat19911/c2025smrobots-01.htm

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    1. Theyre the cataphracts and castellans that forgeworld are currently working on for HH

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  13. Maybe Space Marines INSIDE Space Marines!!!???!??!?

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  14. Maybe September is a mix up. We have a lot of Black Templar rumors - they're a Space Marie variant and already have rumors of a "large" walker.

    Whilst I'm thinking about this - Black Templars might even make a nice White Scars template, what with the sweeping advances across the battlefield and hand-to-hand orientated tactics.

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    1. I think you are on the money with that comment, black Templars are said to be getting a dread knight sized walker, so there may be some confusion as to which space marine force it is attached to. Especially as it was only fairly recently it was confirmed that Templars were getting their own book and not rolled into the generic space maitine codex

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    2. Or, if they follow the example of the Stormtalon and the Stormraven, C:SM and C:BT will get the same walker. The crusader shield described in the rumor could simply be a specialized sprue.

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  15. So... Knight Errant/Crusader dual kit for MUHREENS and Knight Paladin/Lancer dual kit for muh Flashlight Guard? Sounds epic (heh).

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  16. Only acceptable if I can slaaneshify it.

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  17. The cynical part of me thinks that we will get an apocalypse style leak mid next week hopefully something after memphis games day

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