I am a heavy Army Builder user, although my current license has been out of date now for some time. One of the things that has stopped me from picking it up again, is having to renew it at some point in the future. Well, changes are afoot, and now that is not an issue.

The only thing for me now.... will Games Workshop do an List Builder anytime soon?


via the Armybuilder Team on Lone Wolf Development
For those of you who don't receive the newsletters from Lone Wolf, we have changed our licensing policy for Army Builder. Starting on August 1st, active Army Builder licenses will no longer require yearly extensions to access program and data file updates for Army Builder 3. As of that date, all Army Builder 3 licenses that have not yet expired will forever more remain "active" and never expire.

Check out more information here: http://wolflair.com/index.php?context=newsletter&page=july_2013#armybuilder

38 Comments:

  1. LOL, their losing out to the more affordable alternatives on Android and iOS.

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  2. I like Battlescribe Roster Editor better.

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    1. Agreed. Battlescribe is quite nice.

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    2. Battlescribe is terrible.

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    3. Agreed. Battlescribe IS horrible. :D

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    4. Yeah, it's quick and easy. IcCan make a list in under 5 minutes and can see what's in it quite well.

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    5. Why would you say it's bad?

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    6. I use Both,it is nice have something on my phone or tablet but I really do lie to print off a copy of my list especially for tournaments. That being said it is difficult to get battlescribe to print in 2 or fewer pages just because the way the list is formatted.

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    7. I have both, and Army Builder is much nicer. Also has more reliable updates and way less points screw up. Thunder hammer for 1 point? ...

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    8. I'm with you, I much prefer Battlescribe.

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    9. so astalen your complaining about battlescribe....despite the fact that the problem is the DATAFILE YOU CHOSE TO USE?

      some people

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    10. I prefer BattleScribe too.
      It's not the programs fault when people download a wrong catalogue file and it's filled with errors.

      Do what I do: Download a decent one and make your own additions.
      That way you can even fill in the rules.

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    11. No, but it is the program's fault when it is more complicated to update and less intuitive to use than its competitor. I tried both, and I do not want the hassle. I will stick with army builder or a pencil and notepad.

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    12. I bet you're an Apple user as well Hu Jin Tau.

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    13. Cross-platform Battlescribe 4tw.

      I can:
      Make my own rosters (obviously, this is the whole point)
      Save them as HTML if needed
      Fix items that have been input incorrectly by the datafile author
      Make updates to catalogues fairly easily (in goes Forge World!)
      Copy and work on the exact same catalogues and roster files from Windows PC to Android phone and back again without issue
      Not have to pay a penny for it.

      I fail at seeing what's not to like.

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    14. @daboarder - It's not the problem with my Battlescribe lists, it's my opponent's Battlescribe list I don't trust. And I hate going over opponent's lists as it is, much worse when I go... whelp I'm sure he was undercharged for something, oh well. The fact that there are bad datafiles (and I'm not saying AB is perfect) and that I see them used too frequently means I stick with AB because that's what I'd want other people to do.

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    15. @Mauler - you can do all of that on the AB datafiles. Go look up "AB Datafile Authoring Tool".

      Its really simple.

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    16. @eqneelam actually no, I have a dell -but that's unimportant. I just don't want to spend my time configuring and working on tools, I want the tools to work for me...

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  3. I use Quartermaster, I like it enough that I've not bothered looking at alternatives.

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    1. Yeah, I really enjoy Quatermaster. I have had Army Builder in the past but it was quite heavy looking on the screen and never quite easy enough to use. Quatermaster isn't perfect, but it is nice enough and just fantastic to have it on my iPad.

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  4. I only use battlescribe as an interim while I wait for Army Builder to update when a new codex comes out.

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  5. You could also try onlinecodex.de It is a web based army builder and features most lists rather quickly. Beware, it's a German website (and forum) and German program. Some Forge World exclusive lists, without a native translation avaliable, remain in English. Give it a try.

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  6. I bought General Secretary back when it malfunctioned constantly (golly like 2.5 years ago) and ran sprinting to Battlescribe when it came out. I'm still waiting for a tablet version, but its hands down my favorite army builder.

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    2. If you mean Battlescribe, it does have a tablet version (using it as I type this). As for General Secretary... no idea.

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  7. About time.. I hated their licensing system.. I didn't renew it for like 6 months, and when I finally did I lost 6 months of the new license as its takes the date from when it originally ran out.. I swapped to Battlescribe after that

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  8. GW has made 3 different AB style programs. The last two were Armies of the Imperium and Enemies of the Imperium, both $30. They were very good. I bought every single version, but after the BT codex came out and they just stopped supporting it, I went to AB. Its pretty bad when a company sells a program that states outright it is designed for the players convenience and will be updated everytime a codex or FAQ is updated, and instead I get Customer Service telling me that they no longer support that product, so nobody is updating the service...

    I have battlescribe. It is very good at keeping track of things, but the interface is clunky and counter-intuitive. Updating the program is a challenge too, as they do not have the dedicated staff and central location that the 40k maintainers do for AB. I prefer AB because the interface is very easy to use and everything is a drop down menu.

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    1. You are literally the only person alive who thought that the "Armies/Enemies of the Imperium" was in any way associated with the word "good". It in fact made several lists of "The worst software ever made for Windows".

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  9. I use a pen and paper, easy free and no licencing requied.....then I print up a nice legible copy on the comp....

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    1. ditto, then again, I enjoy sitting down with codeci writing army lists for fun, doing the maths in my head and double checking on a calculator, so I'm probably weird, even for a wargamer! ;)

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    2. No, that is the way we used to do it too. Way back in the dark ages of 2nd. Then computers came along and made that redundant.

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  10. I dont belive my eyes! LoneWolf cares for its custumers. bough license like 2 or years ago, and didnt renew it ever since. Using hq-builder lately, its still in beta state, but those guys know what they are doing.

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  11. This is the main reason I haven't purchased army builder. It is nice to see that "Army Builder 3" will always be supported for free now, but the language leads me to believe that they are putting out an "Army Builder 4" which will likely continue to use a multi purchase licensing structure.

    I have some issues with battle scribe that has kept me from using it regularly. 1) the printing format is aweful. I have a hand made list that does better. 2) the files are often incomplete. I hate having it dedicate paper space to lists of associated rules and their page numbers to have that section come up blank every time. 3) it doesn't understand force changes. Lucius makes my noise marines troops, and I'm tired of being told they are elites and I need more troops. They are troops, dammit!

    Many of my friends use Army Builder, and this may be what makes me decide to pick it up.

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    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_error

      :P You can easily fix that yourself by using the catalogue editor.
      My cat-files are flawless and even include new additions the moment it's released, Forgeworld and everything.

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    2. I'm good friends with Colen @ Wolflair and I asked him if they are planning on releasing AB4 and he says there are no plans for that at this time - so there's nothing nefarious going on here. Cynics can go back to hating on GW's financials.

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  12. I've used both battlescribe and army builder, and I find that army builder is a much more intuitive and easy to use system. The updates are easy to install, automatic or not, and from when I began using it back in 2006, I've watched as many of the errors and discrepancies have reduced greatly in frequency. All in all I find AB is a great product, that has been worth the money ive invested into it.

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  13. [Full disclosure: I'm the developer of BattleScribe]

    Just wanted to say that initial setup and quality of data files are both pain points I'm aware of.

    Data files seem to be improving recently (especially for 40k), but still aren't perfect. The editors (on desktop) are pretty easy to use though.

    Setup isn't too bad, especially on mobile, though it certainly needs some work. To that end I put up some much better "Getting Started" guides for mobile and desktop both linked to from here: http://www.battlescribe.net/help-overview.html

    Hope that helps.

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  14. Used Battlescribe yesterday, the first time. Installation was easy! Pretty impressive, well done. Usually i'm using the Onlinecodex (german) scribe is way better......

    Greetz
    Chris

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