So reading through this rumor, it seems that someone from the design team is upset that rules are being released in White Dwarf. I am not sure if this rumor refers to "White Dwarf Inserts", but if it does, that would good bye to any rules updates, or new models being introduced in the White Dwarf Magazine.

Personally I would take a lot of salt with this rumor. However there are a few people, mostly of questionable integrity, that are buying this bit completely and writing off White Dwarf completely, for example the flyer update that is rumored for March/April.

Please remember that this is a rumor, take with a lot of salt, since its quite contradictory to a lot that has been going on.

via a Birdy and Darnok over on Warseer
I have been told that the recent update of apple codex's with rules not updated elsewhere was an oversight by the design team, and that a pdf will become available "once someone has time." As a result of the negative feedback on these ipad updates and whitedwarf content, the design team has said they won't be including rules for armies in whitedwarf anymore.

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  1. Huh.

    I'm highly sceptical about this rumour as well.

    After all having actual rules in it, is a great selling point for the WD.
    I wouldn't even consider buying one without that.

    It just seems to be such a bad decision...
    People are complaining about slow updates.
    Making it take even more time, because it can only happen through codizes...

    Personally I would go for even more updates...

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    1. Might this have already have happened?!

      Compare the WD's for the Chaos and DA releases, the Chaos one had quite a few rules examples in, the DA one had absolutely nothing!

      Also Link-Hero-1, apologies for replying to your post with no real reason - I shamelessly wanted this to be at the top of the comments!

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  2. Isn't this counter-productive? Shouldn't they try to sell more WD rather than less? Also, this would mean no extra goodies between one codex and the next.

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  3. Wheres Chapter Approved when you need it?

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    1. Ditto. And Chapter Approved should represent new rules, not rules readily available in a book that comes out right after the White Dwarf.

      Its really brilliant marketing to think they can sell the same rules to people more than once with WD and an army book.

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  4. I second the opinions here. I like the rules in the WD. That is the only reason I buy one.

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  5. i just dont like never being able to find these white dwarfs as they sell out. I love some of the new stuff that has come out but why buy the minis if i cant find the rules to use them.

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  6. The primary reason I buy a White Dwarf is for that reason as well. If there are rules and new models I especially want, I wont miss it. Especially since they sell out extremely fast around here when they do come with rules inserts.

    I do buy a couple more though on occasion if the rumors and leaks show us something cool, just not every month.

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  7. I really don't care either way.
    I don't buy WD because there's nothing of value for me in there, and if I at some point later, as with SoB, decide I want to have a look at the rules, I can't.

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  8. In the 6th edition rulebook they actually pimp out WD as THE place to go for new rules on terrain, fortifications, scenarios, allied contingents, etc. It would be very counterproductive to go back on that statement simply because someone in the studio is miffed over criticism.

    So, yeah, I highly doubt this one. Someone probably mouthed off in anger and others took it as gospel.

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  9. So they received negative feedback because they changed the ipad version? Or because the rules were not available elsewhere (Did they not just include FAQ versions though)?

    In terms of new media usage GW is still in the stoneage, so if everything would depend on someone updating a pdf "when he has time", that would be bad. Did they even include the WD sister dex and the daemon updates so far?
    If someone rightly complains that those things are not available online and you cant buy those WD issues anymore its GW own fault. They *have* the text, they *have* the pictures and statlines.
    Even if I had to scan this whole thing it would take just a couple of minutes to do it and then upload the pdf.

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    1. Dude, I have the WD updates and SoB "Codex", it would take GW a hour, max, to put it up themselves, but never the less piracy is the way to go.

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  10. Well my question is r they updating the digital codexes but not providing a copy elsewhere? If so that would suck because not all of us have an ipad and i doubt they will update written codexes faster but maybe see a return to a chapter approved edition? That is if there is any truth to this rumour

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    1. That is exactly what they have been doing. Updating the iPad versions but not updating their FAQs.
      I don't know how accurate the FAQs are at the moment though.

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    2. Didn't they JUST update the FAQs? I think it was on the 13th

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    3. Why don't they pull their finger out already and get Android versions up and running?
      And what was the point in hiring certain individuals to the "New White Dwarf" team who's specialty is online media, if they're gonna stay in the Dark Ages of media..??

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  11. It's completely in line with the way WD's been going. it hasn't had quality content in the last 4 years, it's hardly a magazine anymore and just a monthly catalog.

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    1. +10 to Gryffindor. You hit the nail on the head sir/ma'm. well done.

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    2. Supposedly all that had just changed with them redoing the format for White dwarf and making it great again. If this rumor were to pan out, I think the magazine would inch closer to death.

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  12. I buy a digital white dwarf on subscription, so far I have never had a "rule insert" the only way I can get updated rules are if i own a digital copy of the codex which I do in most cases

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    1. The Warriors of Chaos one had an "insert," the last two pages of the codex I believe had the rules update.

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    2. *Digital White Dwarf, not codex

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    3. Oh yeah..... Wasn't there first time I read it I'm sure

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  13. Its annoying to have rules spread out all over the place. GW claims they're a miniatures company first and it would behoove them to have a PDF on their site of the unit entry when they release a new model outside of the codex cycle. Put a link to the PDF right in the model's store page too. Same with FW. I hate researching which version or edition PDF is most current if I want to use a model.

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    1. I completely agree. I don't want bits of rules here and other pieces over there.I understand (and encourage) errata and such, but there needs to be a central medium for this. I would like to see WD introduce new rules/changes and give some context on the FAQ decisions. But at least, for the time being, I can print off my rules from the GW site.

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  14. I don't believe this .To GW this upgrades are a very useful "hook" to catch new WD customers or keep the old ones.Why stop?

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  15. Hell, they say this every few years. I think last time was just before Sisters were put into WD. If they would get off their asses and make rules available on the web site (Stormtalon,Dakka jet, etc) i would be happy!

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  16. Pretty sure it's the main reason people buy No Quarter as well. The rest of the content is great and all, I just can't use any of it when I play a game - unless I happen to be painting this month's Painting Guide models. I also bought back in to White Dwarf as I saw them using it as a way to introduce splashes of units into an outdated codex, giving it new life instantly (Daemons, WoC).

    Let's hope this proves to be false.

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  17. I would say that there are going to be no more rules in WD _ONLY_, but the rules will stay exclusive to WD for a month or two (to have at least some incentive to buy the brochure in the first place) and after that they can be downloaded free from the GW webpage, just like the good old Chapter Approved articles way back before they were taken down and the entire site was made terribad.

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  18. so basically they never want to sell white dwarf.

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  19. The first thing I look for when I flick through a WD is new rules, be it for a new unit type, scenario or whatever. Without that content, it's really a pretty pointless publication. I miss the days when Chapter Approved was a frequent feature, those WD's were and are the best, still having some use today.

    Hopefully what was meant is that there will be no more _preview_ rules, as there was in the latest issue featuring Dark Angels - there were almost no references to new abilities or stats in comparison to previous release-month battle reports etc. where rules were 'shown off' to help sell the models.

    Either way, it's a stupid thing to say and GW desperately need to put MORE rules in the damn thing. There's only so many times I can gloss over an article on how to paint blue power armour.

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    1. There have been several times I would have paid the money for the new WD if they had had the logic behind some of the FAQ changes in there.

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  20. I don´t believe it...

    Seems that GW revamped WD to increase their sales, and Natfka himself showed a little rumour told to him last weeks that GW wanted to increase WD sales with codex updates and new rules... so this is just unbeliable

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  21. So what is the point of WD? I understand if they went completely digital and created more interactive magazine but again its counter productive and only speaks to a fraction of GW players. Silly if they go this route.

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    1. I don't really know what the point of WD is either. It is some eye candy, some introductions to new armies and some basic tutorial type stuff. Honestly, most people can pass on it because there isn't much value added by buying one.
      Maybe they could change it to a quarterly publication and pump it full of tutorials, tactics, fluff fiction (people like short stories) and some new scenarios and such. But I don't know if this would be better for gamers or for sales.

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  22. It seems like I'm in the minority here, but I would whole-heartedly welcome this policy change.

    I was just in my local GW this past week and someone came in asking for the White Dwarf with the Stormtalon rules and the manager told basically told him that he is out of luck.

    Unless they become more proactive and upload the rules for units like the Stormtalon for everyone on their website, the idea that they are selling models for which there is no mechanism for even THEM to sell us the rules past a monthly limited print run is just foolish.

    Of course this gives us even less reason to buy White Dwarf, but if rules were the only reason you were buying it...well...there are much much larger issues to be dealt with regarding White Dwarf, including the fact that it shouldn't even exist anymore at all.

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    1. They should just charge us an extra $0.50 and include the relevant rules as a datasheet included with the models. That way they can keep the rules in print and easily insert new stuff between codex cycles. If they want to be a model company, the rules to use the model should be included with the model.

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    2. Or offer them for download, for free from their website. Heck, the paper alone would cost more than 50p and the models are expensive enough. A digital system presents the ability to update, change and heaven forbid! Get feedback.

      I just wish GW would have a board players could post on. However, considering the rudeness and poor behaviour of some players I don't blame them.

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  23. This rumor is absolutely false.

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  24. If they don't want to let us see new models on the run up, so be it.

    The trouble there is it'll take me another month before I can look at getting the new kits. With current GW prices they are no longer impulse purchases so without seeing the new kits on this excellent website it's difficult to encourage my expensive inner child.

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    1. I know, right? I definitely want to buy some of those new DA knights, but it's super easy to control myself when they cost $60. I have plenty of of stuff in my to-paint backlog and normally the queue would just get a little longer, but at these prices I'm just like "meh, I'll wait until my thunderwolves are done."

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  25. WD will keep copying the FW model. WD will shows up the model a lot the HQ photo, but rules in apart pdf along the very-knew FAQ section

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  26. I too feel that they need to come out with PDF updates - the faq's are not bad, but they need "rule" summaries as well. Along with possible explanations.

    If any of the companies I worked with had such abysmal information flow, they would be out of business.

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  27. Not completely OT but still, don't you think that charging as much for the digital release of a book is theft? Since they print codex with harcovers the price increased and so did the digital release that obviously has no hard cover.
    Also, if i get to Space Marine codex now, will I get a free update when the 6th edition one is out?

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