We have heard little bits that the Black Templar were just getting started, and this rumor bit seems to confirm that. The big questions and answers are that the Templar are not getting rolled into the Space Marine codex, are not getting the White Dwarf treatment, and that Phil Kelly is writing it.


Other than that, we have some bits about who is writing the other codices. Robin Cruddace  is doing Tau Empire, Phil Kelly is doing Eldar,  and Matt Ward is doing Orks. Not sure where Jeremy Vetock is at, but perhaps doing a fantasy army book.

Please remember that these are rumors. Always add salt.

via MarikLaw over on Warseer
Black Templars Rumours
No rules to report, just tidbits about the Codex itself and why it's so far down the pipeline. Please take this with a grain of salt, as I can't be sure of the accuracy of the information given. This is not exactly word for word as I'm going off of memory, as I spoke to this person in person. He was a rather talkative bloke from the UK who had an impressive collection of GW-related books and miniatures, including some rare pieces I've never seen in person before.

Q) Are Black Templars being rolled into the next Space Marines book?
A) Heavens no. For how old the book is, Templars still draw a presence at tournaments and there are many fans of the Boys in Black within Games-Workshop. Simply slamming them into Codex Space Marines was not an option as far as they were concerned as it would "tip the Space Marine codex from full to bloated" in terms of units and special characters.

Q) So are we getting a White Dwarf Codex to tide us over until release?
A) No need. Typically White Dwarf Codex releases are for armies which need an update but are still at least 2 years off. Black Templars will be out sometime 2014 after Orks and possibly after Tyranids, as the Nids are a high priority at GW right now.

Q) So why is it the last 4th Edition Codex to be released when it's now one of the oldest?
A) The reasoning behind this is actually quite simple. Where as the other 4th Edition armies just needed minor-to-moderate rules work, a few new models, and maybe a new unit or two, the Black Templars needed much, much more work. GW might as well be making a new army from scratch with the amount of work they have to put into this release. They need to create a large number of new units, a large number of new special characters, and models to go along with all of them. This is the most work an army has needed since the initial releases of the Necrons and Dark Eldar, so you can imagine that it is not something that can be done quickly.

Q) So Black Templar players don't have to worry about their army being phased out?
A) Exactly. Games-Workshop was adamant that they were avoiding "going the way of the Squats" with any of their current armies for 40k.

Q) Any rules tidbits you could throw my way?
A) Wouldn't be much of a point, really. The rules haven't even entered into major play testing yet and are still in an incredibly fluid state. Unlike during later stages of play testing, where rules might change from month to month, at this step in the design phase rules change on a weekly, if not a daily, basis. I really don't want to get people's hopes up with rules I've been told only for them to turn around and change it or completely get rid of it a day later.

Q) Who will be writing the book?
A) Phil Kelly.

Q) Who is writing the other upcoming books?
A) Robin is doing Tau Empire, Phil is doing Eldar, Matt is doing Orks, and then Phil is back on duty doing Black Templars. Can't remember who is doing Tyranids, it's either Phil or Matt. I think it's Matt but I'm not 100% on that one.

46 Comments:

  1. Waaaghrokkits :)

    I'm kinda happy Ward is writing the Ork book, he likes going retro so I'm hoping there will be a bigger Clan presence. My Bad Moonz would love that.

    Flash Gitz being troops is the top of my wish list!

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    1. Flash Gitz will get access to Greenbolt Ammunition, while Lootas will have Waaaghrokkits of Greenness.

      A new piece of fluff will have an Ork Waaagh valiantly helping the Ultramarines in fending off a Dark Eldar invasion. They later accept Rowboat Girlyman as their Spiritual Liege.

      Really not looking forward to any Ward codices. Ever.

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    2. I, for one, would welcome a band of Orks who revere Rowboat Girlyman. For da Emprah! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    3. He likes retro eh? Hoping for the return of the old choppa rules :)

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    4. Can't wait for the fluff where a Ork ship crashes into a Sisters of Battle base and annihilates them with impunity. Poor Sisters. :(

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    5. As long as he doesn’t write the fluff. Ward is good with the mechanics as long as the Space Marines are not involved. Or the Grey Knights. Or the Sisters of Battle. Or... you know what? He's good with mechanics if humans are not involved.

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  2. Congratulations to all BT players if Phill Kelly to be an author of a next BT codex, he's the best author, IMO. The most interesting and balanced (though not without a flaw) 'dexes belong to him.

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    1. I disagree. Look for a copy and paste job with a few added units with expensive kits, and don't expect any "fixes" to units that are terrible and desperatley need it. Certanily expect at least one "must have" unit with a $70-$80 price tag. Expect a "well balanced" non-competitive and largely boring book that will not listen to what the fan base has been asking for for years.

      Citation: See codex: chaos space marines and take a long hard look at Ksons, no cult hqs or terminators, and no real way to make armies true to the trator legions, the must have heldrake, and marines that run away because they're scared.

      The book will be fun, but likley be relegated once again to one or two builds that actually work as it is pushed into irrelavance by authors of other codexes who can actully write fun books and innovate a little with new rules and don't depend on "the unrelaiable random factor" to make the book different and unique.

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  3. Somebody not called bobJanuary 17, 2013 at 7:00 AM

    If that really is the case, that BT's are getting the Dark Eldar/Necrons treatment, then I forgive Games Workshop for not releasing them sooner.

    I like what I've read here.

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  4. Interesting, but too bad Marik Law has never had a true rumor.

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  5. Matt Ward Tyranids:

    HQ Section

    The Tyranids don't have any HQ units as they were all killed by the Ultramarines.

    Elites Section

    The Tyranids don't have...

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    1. OR, the Tyranids eventually go brofist with the Ultramarines. You know, to fight against the vile Necron / Blood Angels union. Just because Blood Angels became heretics when they brofisted with the Necrons. SO, Ultramarines use Tyranids as ALLIES to do the dirty work. That's why Land Raiders can now carry Tyranids.
      It's Ward, so why not?
      If it's Kelly, then Nids will be just awesome :D

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  6. """ I'm going off of memory, as I spoke to this person in person. He was a rather talkative bloke from the UK who had an impressive collection of GW-related books and miniatures"""

    i have that too :)
    but i´m not from the UK :(
    guess i cant be a rumor source?

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  7. I like that to hear, but two years are still such a long time. :(
    And to my right is a huge sack of salt. Hopefully the rumors proof to be true and I can throw the salt away. Never liked it in pure state anyway.... :D

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  8. I wonder when the Ork codex is going to be released? If Matt has already started working on it.

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  9. I think Phil Kelly doing Eldar is terrible news. If it is indeed correct, I suspect we can expect terrible internal balance, a few exploitable builds, and something that really won't age well.

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    1. You realize he wrote the current Eldar codex yes?

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    2. '...and something that really won't age well.'

      Sadly, that's fluffy as it goes well with the 'dying race' concept...

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    3. why Phil Kelly??? i thought Gav Thorpe was writing the codex..... any way the curent codex i belive aged well!!

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    4. Well that depends.. If they let him do it from scratch instead of just refreshing them up for 6th ed, i believe the dex might be nice.
      I just hope he doesn't AGAIN simply adapt the eldar for the current edition.. I want new stuff. :(

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    5. It´s actually best news possible. Current codex is still pretty playable though it´s from 2006. Also he wrote best fluff.

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    6. I saw the suppoeed GW release schedule for late 2013 onwards.that had a whole pile of new Eldar stuff/characters including 2 new Phoenix Lords which is promising but a bit of it was one kit two possible build types.

      Normally I would have taken my dose of salt when I read it here but since GW released a memo announcing any further leaks would see stoppage of on the day supply to the guilty independenct stcckist I guess it may be true.

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    7. A: Well said and too true. Eldar was my first army and I expect it to recieve the same hack copy and paste that C:CSM recieved from Kelly that will not address the core problems of the 4th edition codex.

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  10. Any info on who's writing the CD and DoC books?

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  11. As long as Cruddace stays away from the Tyranids I am fine.

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    1. *cough*, Tomb Kings, *cough*

      CRUUUDAAAAAACE!

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    2. He's doing Tau. The army that outadapted the Nids in their own codex. I'm guessing we are going to see massive amounts of butthurt.

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    3. Sadly, it seems that Cruddace likes to do nearly any army I develop an interest in. First Tyranids, my first army, then Tomb Kings, which was the fantasy army I've been eyeing (them and WE), and then SoB, which is the army I started because I hate current nids, and now Tau, the army I was starting to look at because I like battlesuits.

      It makes me wonder how I managed to anger the gods of gaming so much.

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  12. Black Templars have everything in plastic and finecast, they are in the same situation DA were in before their new codex, why would they need to start from scratch like with the DE? That sounds more like the SoB situation where they have NOTHING in plastic and no codex...

    If we get the DE/necron treatment then so be it but SoB need it more....lets hope this is true because that'll mean that the most righteous champions of mankind will look pretty hawt with their new minis..

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    1. Well he said they don't want to lose any of the current armies, so SoB are probably coming. As for the Templars, maybe they'll get a dedicated box for their marines/terminators? And hopefully a bunch of new units.

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    2. i think what they mean is new models for neophytes, own terminator squad, plastic sword bretren, new characters, ....
      not that the plastics go away but the plastics are only upgrade sprue stuff so now they might get entire units

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  13. If Ward is writing Orks... Oh God are my Boyz gunna be nasty. T8, 2+,3++ Grots with s10, AP1, 8 shot guns here we come!

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    1. More like boyz cost increased to 15 points per boy, new models with large shoulderpads and backpacks that grant a 3+ save. Also skincolour is changed to blue. All klanmarkings are replaced by a giant white letter U.

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  14. Wards doing Orks. Well at least my Orks will be top teir. I think he might make them stupid again though

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  15. liking all the new Tyranid art, its exciting.

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  16. All of Marik's previous rumours have been false. Like, literally all of them. No need to take this seriously.

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  17. cruddace on tau?


    I can't wait for my s9 ap2 railguns

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    1. dude, crudance did IG!!!!!!
      and Nids aren't nerfed to the bone, they just play different

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