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Daemons Codex and Army Book Coming


This debate has been around for a bit on whether or not we will see a codex/army book for Daemons here shortly and when it will come. In these separate bits, hastings clears up what he knows, and that is a that a full double release is coming. Codex and Army Book.


He also clears up that all his dates were pre-order dates, which if correct would put the double release not in this next White Dwarf (February Issue), but the following. That would give us a March 2nd release date for the new books.

We have had lots of rumors saying it will be another White Dwarf update, but Hastings is by far one of the most accurate. So my personal opinion (not a rumor which I cant believe I always have to clarify...I am not a source of anything) is that we will be seeing a dual white dwarf update. However, I prefer to be wrong. Remember that my opinion is just based off of what I hear/read/find, with some logic added in. My opinion is just that.... opinion. I collect and report Warhammer 40k news and rumors and sources are always listed below. (anonymous sources are anonymous to protect peoples jobs, so dont ask, I wont be the cause of someone getting fired-rumors are not worth that). Enough rant.

this is a rumor, please take it so.

via 75Hastings69 on Warseer
Whether the update will be a White Dwarf Release or Codex/Army Book
both army book & codex this time round, they'll include the new nurgle flies the khorne cannon thing as well as the stuff that was in the booklet last time in WD

regarding when we will see the Chaos Daemons codex pre-orders
My dates used to be pre-order dates

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    1. More than likely. I can't see them releasing only 2 boxes with a codex. Best guess is the Pox flies, Khorne chariot/cannon dual kit, furies duel kit. 2 greater Daemons (most likely GUO and LoC, Resin named character upgrade packs, another undivided siege engine and some more resin stuff like heralds. Maybe even new plastic fiends.

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    2. I just had a very interesting conversation with a man from Nottingham that seems to indicate we may see a new God rather than just new GDs. Couldn't get more from him than a wink.

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    3. ACK! ACK! Salt overdose!! They would be great but really, really REALLY can't see it happening. They would need all new god units on top else would be pretty pointless and I can't see them releasing that many.

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    4. Unless for some reason Malice grew up and stood up to these bully Gods of Chaos, I very, very much doubt there will be a new God.
      In fact, I'd say with dead set certainty that there won't, maybe ever.

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    5. I think its more of a New god that is Build from the same Kit as The bloodthirster or unclean One.

      So a diffrent rules Version that Looks slightly diffrent. Makes sence when they do the Old ones in plastic. Gives you a nother reason to BuY the Kit, then just replaceing youre Finecast or Metal Version

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    6. If there were any extra god, it would be Malice. Malice doesn't have it's own daemons as its all about chaos turning on itself so it has a mix of everyone else's lesser daemons at least. More depth, minimal extra work; just paint daemons/banner in black and white (colours of malice).

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    7. And for Greater Daemons Malice is noted to use "chastised" GDs of the other gods, the example given being a Bloodthirster bound in Chaosy chains to force it to obey Malice which is then unleashed on the enemy.

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  2. But does that mean that we will see the flyers before the chaos launch?

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    1. It could. we had a recent rumor leak that we would. However, things are very tight lipped right now, and all we have to go on are a couple rumors that conflict a little.

      One one side, Hastings and the leak would match up being flyers first for feb releases, and then daemons for march.

      another source, was saying that daemons are first and then flyers. (very good source as well, however I know he is not involved with release dates, but has much more information than anyone else I have ever ran into about what goes on.

      So with that said. its only about 10 days away before we should start seeing leaks.

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  3. I'm curious if there will be any modifications to screamers or flamers, given the number of people declaring shenanigans on those units.

    ~Muninn

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    1. Wishlist: They do so many wounds... lower the points, and make the STR and AP both D6.

      So you could get Str 1 AP 6 or Str 6 AP 1.

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    2. You could just make Flamers level 0 psykers and make Breath of Chaos work the same way as the Eldar Warlock Destructor power. That way, it cannot be used in overwatch and can be countered via Deny the Witch.

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    3. Making them d6 STR and AP would make them unplayable, unless they were 10 points a model. There are plenty of things that already use one random value that rarely see play and both random makes it terrible.

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    4. Epic, I don't much care for that idea. the daemons already rely *heavily* on dice rolls. So doing that would take them from top tier to crap in a single rule. There'd only be about a 15% chance that they'd roll as good or better than their current stats.

      It'd also make them effectively useless as tank hunters.

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    5. Make them both fast attack choices. Then at least you won't see the TOTAL spam that was at the Australian Masters earlier this year.

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    6. Yeah Aus masters Total Spam = 3 players primary, 1 Player as Allies.
      SW = 3 players Primary.
      Make it sound like half the guys took daemons

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    7. Chaos are already the most random of random armies. Rolling even more dice to determine something would be noxious.

      Screamers and Flamers are not broken, they are now useful. If people can't deal with them (and it's obvious how to) the player is poor.

      Frankly it's boring reading that chaos has suddenly become 'impossible'. Adapt tactics. Their force org slots are fine. If people are being silly and taking a unit of 10 they're berks. It just makes them even easier to kill, less flexible and limited.

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    8. Plus if they're taking units of 10 they're cheating. :P

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  4. My reading of what Hastings/Harry said put Flyers in March (along with the rest of the wave release) and Daemons still in Feb. We'll see this week though as I expect the WD to leak by Friday with next weekend being it's official release and all.

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    1. Yep, that will fix it, then we will know which of the two is coming and when.

      I look forward to it. This back and forth stuff is killing me.

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  5. If they are not going to support the Eldar and Tau, why don't they just discontinue the armys. The last Daemon codex was in what, 08 and they had a WD update what, 6 months ago. I'm happy for Daemon players but WTF, when are the Tau and Eldar going to get something new. Its been since 2006 I believe, 4th edition. This Flyer better be worth it.

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    1. Rumor has it the Tau will get a full book in summer, Eldar later (first of next year at worst) plus both the Eldar and Tau are getting a flyer this month.

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    2. Well, if rumors are even close to being true, Tau should get some lovin' by summer (along with allies/mercenaries supplement???)... Eldar is anyone's guess - hopefully this year.

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    3. I know I've read the rumors, thanks tho. Its just frustrating.

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    4. Be careful what you ask for: the Tyranids got an "updated" codex and have been paying the price ever since...

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    5. They wont discontinue them
      But
      They will get a BALANCED dex

      So say byebye to Fortune, seercouncil for cheap and all the other Good stuff. Railguns wich can Shoot only Once per Game are comeing

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    6. IMO give the demons a WD update that includes nurgle/khorne since they just had their tzeench and slannesh update, there new dex your done, plus their dex is much newer compared to some other armies (BT, Tau, Eldar), it doesnt help that im starting tau/eldar so id like a new book too!!!

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    7. No, we want better troop choices so :P

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    8. stop crying retard

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    9. Ah troll I see, you had me for a minute.

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  6. Honestly, I'm just happy to see any new models for Tau & Eldar. Maybe we will get a glimpse into where they are going with the new codeces...

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  7. I'm with you on this back and forth. Not to mention any sort of attempt I've made to get more info has gotten brushed off or ignored.

    I'm of two minds about Hastings (who won't be providing too many more rumours as he's left looking to GW for hobby purposes) and Harry. Firstly they have a lot of good solid information, but on the flip side they're wrong about schedules a lot of the time.

    I'm keeping tabs on all this until my eyeballs peel (I do a lot of rumour scrounging for Heresy Online), but the strangle lack of information is rather....unusual on this one.

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    1. Maybe its becaus there is no information!!!
      Maybe they wont get a dex -.-

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    2. Many of the better rumor mongers are getting hesitant to post what they know, as everything is subject to change based on where the project is in the design process and the scheduling whims of GW.

      It's no coincidence that the rumors began to slow down heavily with the introduction of rumor-monger accuracy threads. The community crucified the rumor-mongers for any slight inaccuracy in their -rumors-; this is just the fallout it collectively deserves.

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  8. Awesome news! Now get the EW off Screamers and Flamers and its win win!

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    1. Daemons without EW would not be Daemons. It would be like space marines without ATSKNF. Not going to happen unless GW really don't give a crap about fluff anymore.

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    2. I'm just gonna say "Chaos Marines Daemon Prince"...

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    3. Ignoring the fact that yes, they are called DAEMON princes, they were born human once although I did think that was true of all daemon princes personally but maybe it IS a factor, some daemon princes must be alien in origin after all. It could be purely balance (-.-) or fluff about how tolerant their god is with failure considering anyone can be a Daemon Prince for killing a lowly sergeant nowadays!

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  9. Logically it will be a full book for daemons in Feb/March. March seems more likely.

    Would be interesting to see flyers this month as they are very much missing from some armies. However, they could do with tidying up some of their releases - e.g. Dark Angels - Azrael and Ezekiel - unless it was a conscious decision not to Finecast these.

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  10. Somebody not called bobJanuary 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    I don't want daemons next month, I want them in March when I won't be so scint.

    Yey!

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  11. Have some patience guys, Good things for both Eldar and Tau are right around the corner.

    Iceborn

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    1. Oh and Natfka, as one of the first times to this site (first time posting) I would like to say beautiful job with it.

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    2. thanks Shaso_Iceborn. Sometimes it takes a ton of work to weave my my way through the rumor mill. Definitely when trying to stay clear of all the drama attached.

      Im also looking forward to Eldar and Tau as well. Tau much less so, because I know my buddies are going to be all over it, ready to smack down whatever I field on the tabletop.

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  12. Glad to hear they are going to be a full release. Hopefully see the Greater Daemons tearing through swathes of enemies with some improved statlines.

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  13. daemons deserve it

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  14. Interesting, hope to be true.

    P.S. I've just read new DA codex. I'm disappointed, it looks very overpowered: dirty cheap command, tactical, devastators squads with special/heavy weapon options; lot of cheezy special issue wargear and the most precise Deep Striking ever seen.

    I wonder if Ward had bitten Vetock, it's obviously a kind of virus decease that plague GW SM codex authors.

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    1. No desire to start a debate on the new codex but it is very balanced there is no o.p unit in the codex. Terminators are terminators role a one and they die, as long as there two wounds I do not care what they have as wargear.

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    2. @Shean: It's far to early to call either CSM or DA anything. CSM have been out a month and DA less than a week. Give it a few months for these books to get around a bit before you go banging your knee on your desk.

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    3. I know, I know... It was just a first impression after reading a borrowed codex. I think that quite soon I'll have a game against DA player, he fielded DW list back at 5th, so I'll see what my slaaneshii warband is capable for against new DA.

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    4. There's some units that can be "maximized" -for lack of a less rage inducing word - but try making a pure Ravenwing, Deathwing or even DualWing list.
      It's much, much more difficult than you would think, which is a shame, I don't want green guys in my army, psssh!

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    5. DA looks fine to me. The strongest units are expensive. So if you want to field 35 models in a 2000 point game then you will pay the price in shots fired per turn. I like that they have their unique niche. And this is coming from a csm player

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    6. we had the Same deepstrikeing in the Last dex

      Point Drops of 1 per SM dont really OP a dex
      CSM are Even cheaper & we dont See them takeing names

      On paper Good is One Thing
      In Game is a nother

      Maybe you noticed a Lot of Guys (like me) think this dex is rather Meeehhh!
      Wenn you grow to understand the Game you will see this sooner too! Its Not about how Sick a rule or statline or pointcost is. Its about how a Unit Works in the Game & how Easy it can be counterd. Can a Unit make its points back in games and those it exploit the Core rules. LS shroud will be the Key in every solid List IMO.

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    7. Beware the rise of flamers (and their variants) though when pinning hopes on a LS shroud. I've seen plenty of lists that use template weapons now because they're cheap and over-watch makes them much more valuable, especially to those still clinging to Vulkan SM lists.

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    8. I'm going to do 10 flamer LS backed by a LS shroud. The Main reason is to Counter stupid going to ground in area Terrain and gettin +2 on Cover so 2+ or 3+ Cover. Just too Sick.
      Ofc i,m also going to do the Cover Tricks with bolsterdefence & LS shroud & scouts in Cover backed by a CS with salvo Banner and a psyker Casting Deviation an s big bolter Scout squad >:)
      With any points left i'll do a LR with DWks to Deal with deathstars ;)

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  15. Daemons is going to be a full dual release, Army book + Codex. It never was going to be a WD splash. Ever.
    When has GW ever done two WD updates for the same army in a row? As far as I can remember, never.

    A second WD update has no logic based on previous GW release cycles.

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  16. there is simply no way to win. people tell you to stop saying take with salt or that this is a rumor, and others want you to say 150x in a paragraph that this is a rumor. you list who gave you the rumor, not sure how people use no logic and state you are a rumor source when you specifically state who (even if an anon) gave the rumor to you. do what you think is best dude.

    another thing, the hate and bs that seems to have cropped up on here just tends to have me just read what you post and ignore the comments section. seems to be the glory of a peer friendly blog about our hobby seems to be nearly dead & gone.

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    1. I'll second that...

      Nay to Nay-sayers, (& props to natfka for all his good work keeping us in the loop).

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    2. Deluded?
      You want to ready only how happy everybody is about everything and how everybody has the Same view on every subject?
      Real World is Not made up of fluffbunnys & Hug Bears!

      People have the right to Free speach!
      Even if you or anybody els doesnt like the Way or what is being Said.
      Democracy is a 2 Way Road!

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    3. Internet is not a democracy.

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    4. I think the point of nay to naysayers is that it isn't very constructive and clogs up the space for others who will be constructive. Sure you might be disappointed with a new codex, but these comments could be used to share ideas and tips for making the most of the new units/rules instead of assuming that everything is broken or crap...

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  17. Are they ever going to release the Helbrute, chosen and cultist individually? I thought we were supposed to see 2 waves of chaos

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    1. Cultists are available (sadly snap-fit only). My guess is they throw in chosen and the hellbrute once the starter set stops selling well and there is no other major 40k release during the month.
      Atm its realy busy on the 40k front.

      PS: The rumor of a 5th chaos god has like a 0.000001% chance of happening. It would be pretty drastic, had major fluff changes and this just so short after the CSM codex.

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    2. Somebody not called bobJanuary 16, 2013 at 6:28 AM

      I agree we are not likely to see a 5th chaos god. But I would like to see an undivided army where each slot in the FOC has something undivided to fill it.

      Princes, Furies and Soul Grinders are the only choices so far.

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  18. Good to see GW helping out the 2 races that clearly need it the most; Necrons(night scythe clarification) & Daemons, right? Seriously I hope to god they hit flamers & screamers with the nerf bat so we see some variety on the table. Or better yet leave them as broken as they are & make them deploy normally lol.

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    1. They're jump infantry and jetbikes! They're be all up in your business in no time still!
      But I sincerely hope they change greatly, they're just so, so good.

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  19. I read a rumor above about a 5th Chaos god. Not really sure if that is a likely outcome BUT what if they made Chaos Undivided a bigger thing? If you had a Make-Your-Own Chaos Power much like the Undivided Chaos Space Marine? It would be interesting to see this bulked out so people could take a Khorne Army and not have to take Tzeench to make up a Psychic defense or a Slanesh Fast cavalry role.

    I grant it is more a 40k thing where there are Undivided Marines but it kind of makes sense if you think about it.

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    1. The new csm book seems to have much less in the way of undivided than before. If this sets the tone for chaos now I wouldn't expect much to change on undivided front or the possibility of a 5th god.

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  20. Fifth Chaos God of Chaos Undivided? As in the infamous Malal, now renamed Malice? I doubt even GW Legal would have the balls to do that...

    ...unless, they have actually settled the rights.

    Here's to hoping that they will also bring back the Sensei/Illuminati/Star Child storyline.

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    1. They own Malice no problem. Malal as an entity in fantasy is a no-go but the Sons of Malice chaos space marines are still canon I believe.

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    2. Malice, of course, is still an English Dictionary word meaning "the intention or desire to do evil".

      "Sons of Malice" as a name, doesn't require there to be an entity called Malice. Ultimately, they are just as likely (if not moreso) to essentially be "Sons of the Intention to Do Evil".

      It's a name. Not a source that GW is still clinging to an aged and unwanted (except to the Elite nerdcore) idea that would alter way too much of the lore and fluff. Remember the outcry with the (IMO) awesome fluff of the new Necron dex? Now imagine adding another Chaos God.

      Not saying you're going down those routes, but idiots reading your comment are going to read it as "proof" that GW wants to release Malice as a concept back into 40k.

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  21. Well, new FAQs for all!
    Some clarifications that might not have been some in some Codex prints, but nothing major in terms of Dark Angels.

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  22. no. nothing major....look at the Company Veterans...

    Come on GW...stupidly bad mistakes. Did you send the playtest rules to the printers? WTF?!?!?

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