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Chaos Daemons: a little info.


Some Daemon information is coming through, and we can expect some more coming very soon. Yesterday early, I had posted up a compilation put together by zion over on Heresy Online, and we have had a few responses to it in the comment sections that are worth mentioning.

Two quick things:
1. I still believe in a White Dwarf update, and the comments here just add to that. So don't expect a codex.
2. Stickmonkey is the source for this post, derogatory comments will be deleted. Disagreeing is fine, but we do not jump on board the Witch Hunt here on this site (I do not like deleting comments, and there was a surge in comments vs Stickmonkey yesterday)

So for clarity, and for those readers that do not venture into the comment sections, here is what was posted up.

via Stickmonkey (I am assuming), from yesterday's posts.

StickMonkey here. Almost all those rumors came from me, but i want to clarify a few items as it looks like some of my info is now being reverbed through the internet.

Most of my info comes from playtest and/or design notes. As Harry(warseer) and I have discussed I have discussed this makes it very difficult to get dates accurate. So I rely on other rumor mongers further into the production cycle to get timing better.

I see that there is a lot above that was early info so let me share some things that are looking less than likely, as Bigred at BoLS already has some new info from me and I wont steal his thunder.

No fw chaos beast. Not sure who built that up, but no.

No csm daemon engines.

Highly unlikely all 4 GD will be released next month.

Not expecting a codex or army book next month. I hope i am wrong as I do play daemons and would like one myself.

Not expecting more that 1 chariot size release next month.

Not expecting more than 2 smaller plastic kits next month

Not expecting more than 4 finecast kits next month.

When I say next month i mean the Daemon Month. Based on Hastings, we all believe it is next month. If Hastings is wrong we we all be wrong. Like I've said, my info does not come with reliable dates attached.

Cheers and Happy New Year.



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  1. I'm a huge fan of this site but Come on man! Stickmonkey's rumors are no where near accurate. His DA predictions were so far off it was embarrassing. And lets not forget his Necron rumors that were even more ridiculous. Can we please stop giving this guy attention.

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    1. A typical Stickmonkey rumor: "Spring of Daemons! It is highly likely that we might get more then two but less then ten new units somewhen this spring."

      And the mandatory escape way; "This is all playtest information; things might change completely until the release."

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    2. Just have fun with it. It doesn't really matter if they're accurate rumors or not. GW will release what it's going to release, and you'll buy whatever that happens to be. No one is perfect either. Case in point: more *than* less *than*


      Keep on rumoring, rumormongers!

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    3. So far as I am aware, stickymonkey was the only one who described the DA Flyer details months in advance.
      Stickymonkey was the one who described the Landspeeder months in advance.
      It was Sticky who said Plasma Cannon on Termies.
      Yes, early info suggested a predator, some other SC, and a chaplain unit. But if you follow his posts as we got closer to release he corrected those items. In fact, there were only 2 units that he expected to be released in his very last post that didnt make it, and 5 that he was dead on with.
      As far as Necrons, he was the first one who mentioned the Croussaint flyer. He was the first to mention the Lychguard and describe the halberd or sward/shield combo. He was the first to mention a giant walker, and the only one who took the "Necron-mancer" rumor and doubted it. The first to mention the tesla everywhere in the army. The first to mention new immortals.
      If you want stats...look at the dakka dakka post, he is holding about a 50% record...much higher than most. If he mentioned a rumor you pinned your heart and soul to and it didnt come to fruition, that's on you. Not him.
      Sigh. So much Hate. His posts give us a hint of what's to come, and I for one don't want him to stop sharing.

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    4. I read rumors for fun. Its like seeing fan made trailers. If you don't like them: DONT READ THEM!!!

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    5. No it wasn't stick monkey. He didn't describe them at all. He just said "Large Vehicle Kit"

      The idea of them came from people that read the Ravenwing novel.

      The first detailed description came from someone names "Neko" a guy new to the rumor scene.

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    6. Sept. 6th 2012 - Stickmonkey - Warseer - "Landspeeder-esq flyer. ... Has Aquila like wings."

      Get your facts!

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    7. nobodys rumors are acurate
      some SALT is always required

      stickmoneky, hastings, harry are some of the more accurate rumorsources... that are ofc off on dates and on 50% of the units that are supposed to come out never do.

      BUT do you want noname anybodys wishlisting?
      like ghost21?
      Or tatstytast BS talking?

      you should not read rumors if you take them for GW releas plan!

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    8. So what? For every Landspeederexque flyer (which btw. isn't Landspeederexque at all, plus he described it as having a tl plasma and reaper cannon) you get one non-existing interrogator chaplain unit with skull masks, heavy support termies, plasma predator, siege cannon Techmarine and four different release dates, spanning a whole year. Get your facts!

      Bottom line: He gets just 50% of things correct, which is pretty bad assuming how vague his stuff is.

      If you want to hear some guys wishlisting, fair enough, but don't label it rumors!

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    9. @ anon 8:24
      did you really think that would all be 1st wave? :D

      the other stuff is either later or GW drops it. Who knows!!!

      its youre own FAULT for not takeing SALT

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    10. Tasty was pretty accurate, he got most of the things for the Chaos dex right. Just because people didn't like him or the contents of the Chaos dex, doesn't make it BS talk.

      It just shows that accuracy and reputation don't matter. So long someone posts BS people want to hear and plays the vicim, people will fall for it.

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    11. Tasty was actually pretty accurate. He posted very precise rumors. Saying Cultists would have a zombie option or everyone would get a 6+ ward against psychic attacks is something so specific and accurate that he got my attention. His 6th edition rumors were quite accurate and precise as well. Unfortunately people always want to latch on to his fluff rumor that hasn’t come true yet and repeatedly use that to discredit him. It’s amazing how Tasty could be consistently accurate on specific details but people want to crucify him for every little slip up, while Stickmonkey can be soo consistently wrong yet people want to defend his rumors that were so vague they had to make arguments to find some weak link between them and what was released. It’s really odd how that works.

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    13. 9-25-2012 - StickMonkey - WarSeer - "Its bigger than the StormTalon, but the fuselage has a landspeeder style to it. I took it to mean squarish. The wings are supposedly fanned forward like an Aquila. And others have mentioned it would not take much to make this look like the chapter symbol, but I haven't heard anything on this. "

      9-26-2012 - StickMonkey - Warseer - "As far as the flyer, recall my source had described its look as a pregnant albatross, so I'm not getting hopes up for anything elegant or even aerodynamic. "

      http://www.jacksjoint.com/Image70.jpg

      http://imageshack.us/f/10/img1500muk.jpg

      nuff said!

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  2. Meh. Even accurate rumors can sometimes not know anything.

    With the DA release people were posting that they didn't see DA getting a flyer and poof* we got a flyer.

    So even though people are saying they don't see it being a Codex it could still be a codex release.

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    1. YeaH but what codex going forward isnt going to get a flyer? anyone could have guessed that.

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    2. I'd bet my house on every upcoming release getting at least one flyer.

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  3. Meant to say not know "Everything"

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  4. Not sure if it's worth noting but the big list of leaked items apparently being released this summer, that we got the middle of last year, correlates with that stickmonkey is saying

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  5. It's probably that stick monkey pulled info from that list to make up his rumors. And then when they don;t show up until later in the year he can say "See look, I was kind of right".

    Kind of like when he called the DA large kit a "Land Avenger"............

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    1. but that list was from mid 2013(wich is jet to come)till 2015.

      The only thing that the list indicates for demons is that slan and nurgel greater demon are in 2014 in plastic

      wich kinda points into that khorne and nurgel will be plastic too, either befor mid 2013 or after 2015

      BUT the truth of that list is still not proven


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  6. What have people lost if the rumours are false and what is gained if they are true? Excitement, disappointment & resentment are all of your own making. Would you rather certainty with no scope for surprise excitement or uncertainty with the chance for something that blows you away but also a chance to be let down.

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    1. Yeah, let's all wishlist and make things up. I mean it's not a big deal if we're wrong so who cares? Think how much better the daemons will look when you find out the rumor I just made up about all of their models jumping 250 points in cost is wrong.

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  7. What bothers me is were the fan base to GW they can not survive with out us so why dont we demand more codex's and not white dwarf updates, like other games why do we have to have like maybe 4 codex's up to date for each edition and not more com on guys speak up were the ones with the money.

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    1. You are so right!!

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    2. What other games update faster?

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    3. Other games at least update everything at once, offer their rules for free, or don't try to one-up previous army books when they release a new one.

      Yet with GW we're stuck waiting almost 5 years for an army to get updated (let alone armies like DE that waited 11-12 years for an updated book), while other armies are frequently updated *coughcough*marines*coughcough*

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    4. WD is GW advertisment mag. Its Not profitable on its Own. Same for dexes. They dont make enough Revenue to be Worth while!

      Updates are in WD to Drive Sails of minis!
      Dexes are done to Drive Sails of New & Old minis!

      Its in GWs intresst to keep costs low on dexes and WD. So no dex if its Not Way Old or Way populare. And no Rumors or leaks to keep WD selling!

      Understand?


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    5. I like the Infinity approach, new releases every month. Rules are either featured in their campaign books, or offered in the form of PDFs or on their awesome, free, army builder (GW, take a leaf).

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  8. A dash of salt a pinch of make believe a dose of wishfull thinking a smidgen of truth. There You know have the recipe for a rumor.

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  9. the problem with stick monkey is that he seems to get too early of playtests and only those. hence why hes not that accurate..... didnt he said DA was a Ward codex and talked about a plasma destroyer pred? what happened to those?

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    1. Somehow i dont buy it that the author changed halfway into play testing. Play testing seems like it would come after the original designs and concepts are down and just need final refinement.

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    2. People hate ward Doing Marine dexes.
      Maybe its better for World Peace to say veröl did the dex :)

      Can you imagin the outrage if Matt did s10 ap1 hitting at Ini 4 ...Termis with stormshield for only 235! WS5 mastercrafted... T5 and Tons of extra rules?

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    3. Honestly, Deathwing Knights are good, just not great. Which is fine, I like the CSM Codex, I'm of course assuming they'll be similair in balance.

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  10. One of the problems with looking at early rumors as gospel is that alot of the initial rumors are based on playtest rules some of which will not make it into the final codex. So just because a rumored unit doesn't make it into a codex, it doesn't mean the rumor was unfounded or false. Just look at the nfl coaching carousel going on right now. Andy reid is rumored to be of interest to several teams. If he doesn't end up being the coach of the cardinals, it doesnt mean the current rumors are false, it just means they didnt come to fruition.

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  11. If these rumors are true then I am sad fore daemons. I was really looking forward to a new book for both my 40k and fantasy army. In both they are good, but Greater Daemons in fantasy are unplayable due to point costs and in 40k heralds are borderline worthless and the troops are overpriced.

    I don't even need new units, just some point reductions GW, just some point reductions.

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  12. Natfka, you say you will delete derogatory comments,yet this post is full of them.

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    1. fucking shit it fucking is!!! D:

      :D jk

      people should relax more
      its the internet
      people start flame wars all the time

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  13. What I don't get is why Daemons (in 40k at least) are getting this. They just got a WD update a few months ago & are one of the hardest (some would say broken) armies so far in 6th. Granted thats only if you are running the screamer/flamer spam. Unless it's to balance this out & make screamers/flamers less OP & other god's daemon more powerful. Both screamers & flamers are way under-priced, I'd love to see more GDs, bloodletters, nurglings, daemonettes, etc, being fielded.

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    1. The only other reason i could justify a daemon codex now is that due to the GK being VERY good against them, GW needs to buff Daemons so its not "too easy" for the GK.

      But thats just me.

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    2. The fact that the daemon codex only has two good units is justification enough for a new codex. Daemons are just a joke to face in general, as they have terrible deployment, and their only two great units are screamers and flamers - which is why they see such heavy spam.

      Plus as JayDee pointed out, GW have so much stuff that is nothing more than a "fuck you" to daemons players.

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  14. I just appreciate his rumors because its something to think about while waiting for the codex release even though sometimes they're not 100% on. At least he wasn't hawking the stupid notion of jetbikes for Dark Angels.

    I think some people forget their salt when they come to rumor sites.

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  15. Its ok to keep track of rumoursources and call somebody on it if he is wrong many,many times (Wasn't it TDG with like 11 right and 64 wrong?).
    However if the source is flamed to oblivion for every rumour then you should be not surprised if someday NOONE wants to leak things anymore.

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  16. Just wanted to reply to this one:

    "You are so certain daemons are coming in February.
    When they do come, half of SM's stuff won't be there and you will blame him for being wrong. "

    What Space Marine stuff? I haven't seen -any- rumours that claim Space Marine anything is slotted for Feb. We're expecting Dark Angels in two days, that's a Jan release for the models not a Feb one.

    Do you know something you should be sharing with the rest of the class?

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    1. SM refers to Stickmonkey, not Space Marines.

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    2. My apologies. I'm used to seeing SM reference the Marines, not Stickmonkey.

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