More rumors that are saying there will be a flyer supplement coming in a few short weeks. February 16th is the current timeline for its release according to rumors, so seeing leaks and pre-orders in the next couple weeks looks likely.


I am hoping that if this supplement is released, that there is at least some new rules and models for flyers. Still looking forward to getting a couple Voidraven Bombers.

Please remember that these are rumors, so salt is required.

via Lorizael over on Dakka Dakka
My sources say this will be a 70 page "compendium". 

It will have updated 6th edition rules for flyers: 

Stormraven (now available to space marines and BT) 
Storm Talon 
Ork Bomba / dakka jet / burna bomba 
Valkyrie / vendetta 
Razorwing & Voide Raven 
Night Scythe / doom scythe 

also dog fighting rules from crusade of fire and a new flyers scenario. 
I'm told this book will be a range item and not a limited release.

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  1. I'm really interested in whether or not this will supersede the codicies for tournament play. If so, that will be interesting.

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    1. All of the aforementioned units have either 1) been the subject of some significant FAQ's or 2) are originally WD releases (Storm Talon/Ork flyers from WD, StormRaven/Valkyrie/Vendetta/Night Scythe troop deployment rules FAQ’d, Razorwing/Void Raven are not even flyers in the Codex, Doom Scythe only one I’m stumped on). For people thinking the changes will be points cost changes or changes to stats I expect you will be sorely disappointed by the release, as I imagine it’s only purpose is to tidy up an otherwise convoluted mess of rules here, there and everywhere. If it is this, then I would imagine that yes it will trump all codex, FAQ and White Dwarf releases.

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    2. Yes but it might contain updated rules. Eg. Nigh Scythe can deploy units while zooming maybe Vendetta / Valk will get same plus Valk might be enabled as dedicated transport. This would boost sales to the roof.

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  2. I wonder if they will update the point costs for these guys? Then again, I am just mad that I am paying 180 for a crappy DA flyer. :)

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    1. 180?

      Assembly it as "bombercopter" and hover near Salvo Banner (yes, it make it 24 TL bolter shots, among other weapons).

      You may stick banner inside LR Crusader, for double fun.

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    2. I can understand your pain for paying 180 for the DA flyer, but there's no way the DE fliers need a points increase. The Vendetta needs a decrease however

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    3. @Local Ork, so it kills 4 marines, and then dies the next turn? Well worth the investment.

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    4. The Vendetta a decrease?? Are you serious mate??

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    5. @Crow198: How can you say vendetta needs a decrease in points, they are stupidly cheap for all the lascannon they hold and other war gear. If anything they need a 30 point increase.

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    6. @mikey0987: Typo. I meant increase lol.

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    7. Hah hah, I was wondering if you were being sarcastic :-D

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    8. why increase?

      i think they are perfectly fine how they are!

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    9. why increase?

      i think they are perfectly fine how they are!

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    10. @local Ork You cannot get a bonus from having a banner in a tank, i would argue you could (wave it out of the hatch) but the chimera has the command vehicle rule which is specific to banners being able to be used inside a vehicle so that ones out the window :) And i think they should update the DA nephilim to be a bit better seeing as it is an "Air superiority fighter" yet cannot take out much more than a fly with those missles and that pathetic gun.

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    11. Oh, it's fine. Banner is like Ork KFF, Sanguine Shield and other "AoE".

      As for "bombercopter", I was referring to Dark Talon. 24 TL bolter shots (as it have Bolters in Hurricane Bolters boosted to Salvo 4), among other things?

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  3. At least you have a flyer... bitter space marine players, complaining about their flyers when tau don't have one without paying hundreds from forgeworld

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    1. Yes, I want to have my cake and eat it too. :) I'm sure you guys will get a solid choice once you get a new codex.

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    2. In the name of the greater good, I pray you are right buddy :)

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  4. The dog fighting was terrible.

    Nothing captures the excitement of a tense combat among the clouds like constantly cross-referencing and consulting charts.

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    1. Yeah... Used it once, no intresrest to try again.

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    1. I know fluff wise only Gk and BA who has em.

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    2. The Land Raider Crusader used to be limited outside of the Black Templars before the the schematics were approved by Mars and became readily available to other chapters. This was represented in the rules (If I remember correctly?) by ownly allowing BT players access to more than one per army. When the next edition came out the limit was removed and the fluff retconned to say that enough time had passed for the the design to have become standard in every Space Marine armoury. It would seem likely to me that the Storm Raven becoming available to other chapters could similarly be explained. As for DA not having them? Well they just got some unique flyers so probably wouldn't be fair to give them the Storm Raven straight away. Space Wolves? Well it seems odd to me that they shouldn't have access to them. Perhaps GW intended to give them there own unique flyer when there codex is updated? Could work have already started on a new codex for them?

      On an a side not I'm surprised that the Nephilim Jetfighter and Land Speeder Vengeance arnt going to be made available. There design aesthetic doesn't really have a Dark Angels specific slant to it and there names dont have a Dark Angels connection like the Ravenwing Dark Talon and Ravenwing Darkshroud do.

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    3. We Dark Angels guard our technology well and keep it secret and to ourselves for the most part. Comes with the whole grimdark-monk-knight thing.

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    4. Except that it's not the Chapters that make their stuff, it's the Mechanicum...

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    5. @Snake88: Space Wolves don't like to get their feet off the ground fluffwise (unless it's to mount a giant wolf!)
      @TheAurgelmir: Tell that to Blood Angels and their Fast non-Mechanicum vehicles. Plus Grey knights have their personal forgeworld, a couple other chapters might too (unlikely but not impossible)

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    6. Straight from the Dark Angels Codex: "IN the workshops deep in the Rock, Techmarines labour loving over the construction of each bomb, using the STC they have repeatedly denied owning."
      "The Nephillim Jetfighters have only been used by the Dark Angels since late M40, when the Standard Construction Template for the improved engines was discovered while hunting the suspected Fallen, Baelor the Imposter, in the Nehpillim Sector."
      In response to saying that the Landspeeder Vengeance and Nephillim Jetfighter don't have Dark Angel iconography, then you'd best look at the sprues and assorted pictures again, I can count at least 3 different things on each.

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    7. @Callum. Yeah looking at the sprues I can see that the Ravenwing symbol on the tail is moulded on as one piece.

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    8. @ Jon Wilko

      Third Ed nonsense addtions. Space Wolves have no problem flying. Look! Land Speeders and Thunder Hawks! Look! Space Travel! Through the Warp.

      Been playing Wolves for 21 years and this nonsense (which Kelly did well to work around in the latest Codex) just boils my piss.

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  6. I really hope that this isn't just a summary of the current flyers and they actually put in new ones for the races that were left out of the flyer-fun so far. Where I play Forge World stuff is not allowed outside of actual Apocalypse games so being an eldar player I am very much boned against flyers.

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  7. Now available for SM and BT.... What about the Sons of Russ? Are Space Wolves not getting anything? :(

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    1. Flying Wolves with Stormshields, split fire, and the ability to nullify psychic powers.

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    2. We don't have split fire. It's called Fire Control
      But you are saying that we are not entitled to a flyer just because we have other good units? Isn't that a little unfair?

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    3. The Sons of Russ don't like flying.

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    4. Except for their Land Speeder and Thunderhawk pilots. And not liking flying isn't really an option for an interstellar strike force whose specialty is transorbital shock attacks.

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    5. Agreed. Plus they get Storm Eagles and Caestus rams from FW, why wouldn't they get a flyer from GW?

      From what I gather, they don't like teleporting. I don't recall it ever being mentioned about them not liking flying.

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    6. @ Alendrel.

      Exactly.

      @ Jagged Red Lines.

      The did that in 3rd Ed too. They 'distrust' teleporting. Does not mean they won't use it if the situation is dire enough.

      Again, Kelly got around that by allowing our Terminators to Drop Pod.

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  8. I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing. We've been hearing flyer rumours for what seems like eons now.

    However I really, really, REALLY hope it's true and in the form described here. Rules compendiums that update codicies are exactly what we neeed.

    Fingers crossed for more expensive valks/vendettas. But more importantly some _new_ rules for _new_ models, focussing on xenos!!

    A bit miffed that it makes my already rubbish 'crusade of fire' even worse. Oh well.

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    1. Taking the "golden rule of the Tau" ( the Tau codex is always six months away) I think we can extend that to fliers too. Ie: The Tau flyers are six months away, and in six months, thry'll be six months away.

      Hownowbrowntau

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  10. So, if they would update those flyers to 6th ed rules, it could be used to tone down IG and necron flyers a bit.
    But to have even a small impact they would need to FAQ them too, which would make the book kinda obsolete. Afterall, who would buy and use a book if the only rules in it make your army worse and you gain nothing?

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    1. I'd say that if the rules supersede the codexes (basically a mass updated book kind of like Forge World's Aeronautica book) and are the most recent ones for all of the pre-6th Ed flyer stat lines, and so on, then they'll have to pick it up if they want to continue to have a legal army list.

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    2. Why would they FAQ it, they have your $ rite where they want it.

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    3. Necron flyers were built for 6th, they're not changing.

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    4. Necron Fliers where made when flier rules where likely still in testing.

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    5. Necron flyers were built to break 6th edition if that's what you meant.

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  11. I'm a Space Marine player and I would be delighted to get access to the Stormraven and as such if that rumour is true I will be buying this supplement and at least 1 Stormraven.

    On a related topic I need to earn more money because this hobby is as expensive and addictive as crack.

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  12. Glad it's not a silly limited edition. I missed out on Crusade of Fire.

    Can't wait to pick this up.

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    1. Honestly you didnt miss anything in crusade of fire, A over priced campaign report with some gimmicky rules at the end. IMO you got lucky on saving the 40$.

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  13. I have been a member of gamers anonymous for years, 3 failed marriages, 1 house repossession and thousands on counselling and I still can't get through 30 days without spending on little plastic soldiers. I for one hope space wolves tau and eldar don't get flyers or that will be another small fortune leaving my bank!

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  14. Don't get your hopes up people, I'm afraid many will be dissapointed by this release. Like Cities of Death or Planet Strike this book will have some cool stuff but it's a SUPPLIMENT to the game, not a modification to the standard rules. You arn't going to see any point changes or changes to tourney rules.

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    1. In other words, for those excited about getting a Stormraven for your SM army... You'll only be able to use it in these special missions and in agreement with your opponent. So like all expansions to 40k that GW comes out with, the core game stays the same unless the BRB changes.

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  15. Man, I GET it from a financial standpoint--sell a ton of Stormravens--but it kills me that the awesome unique flyer my BAs have will no longer be special to me and GK. If that's the case, give BAs the Stormtalon too.

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    1. Oh, like the LRC that got stolen from the BT? Or the fact that the first double DCCW model was Black Templar and the BA stole that one too? Face it, if you have a nifty unit, it will get "passed around" eventually.

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  16. Chaps get very worried about Vendetta. What I'd like is to see a Vulture in the heavy support slot - tanks are lovely, but we really need a heavy anti infantry unit.

    But that's just me being evil and wanting 6 flyers in every army....!

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    1. I'm all for Vultures in the Guard armies. I like the missile launcher and multi rocket pods combo with nose heavy bolter.

      Loads of anti-infantry blasts and dakka, but the option of krak missiles when some extra punch is needed.

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  17. And here I was hoping for a Nid Harpy fix...

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    1. Don't give up.

      With the release of the Flying Supplement in Feb it's possible the Daemon release will be later and the Flyer model release could be in March.

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  18. GW is really following the everyone gets one method with armies. So every army will have a flyer, just like every new fantasy army gets a monsterous Calvary unit and a large based monster/war machine. Even if it doesn't fit the army.

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    1. Well, space marines will have 2 flyers now, DA have 2 flyers, SW will still probably have none, so it doesn't seem like they are being very careful about it if this rumor is true.

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    2. Why wouldn't it make sense for every army to have a flyer? Having air superiority or an attempt at it would make sense for all armies

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    3. DA has two paper thin useless point sinks. Worst flyer in the game. Codex entry looks like they couldn't even figure the rules out. What a joke.

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  19. Hope eldar and tau get some flyer love soon! As for space wolves it would have to be crewed by blood claws as the others sre too superstitious to get off the ground!

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  20. I'm a little worried that the last few rumors haven't included anything about the Harpy. It badly needs a rules update and a model would be nice.

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  21. I like the idea of each variation of the Space Marines having their own unique flyer- a lot. Stormraven for the Blood Angels and co, Storm Talon for the Ultramarines and co, and the Nephilim for the brooding Dark Angels. I can live with these changes but no Stormraven will grace one of my Space Marine armies unless it's my Blood Drinker chapter.

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  22. I guess all of these "the supplement won't apply to tournaments" are too new to the hobby to remember Dark Millennium. There is a big difference between a them, optional supplement (e.g. Cities of Death, Planetstrike) and an expansion to the core game.

    I don't know anyone who played 2nd edition without Dark Millennium; it just wasn't done. The culture of rejecting some GW publications just didn't exist at the point.

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    1. Ah, Dark Millennium- now that was a fun supplement! Not as fun as the Warhammer Battle Magic supplement at the time (the 1992 version, not the 1996 one- or was it 1997?).

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