Take a look at the old paint set boxes below, and the new ones that are coming out for us this weekend. Dark Angels are on the cover. While this doesnt necessarily mean anything, it is another push towards a confirmation that Dark Angels are in the new starter set for 6th, and gives credence to a new codex sometime this year. Coincidence that its Dark Angels, instead of GW's poster children "Ultramarines"?

Oh yea, a first glance at the cover art for the boxes of Citadels new paints. I am assuming all tha comes with it.

This is the last paint sets pic for a comparison with the new one.

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  1. My vote is for co-winky-dink and nothing more...

    ...then again I am old, cranky, and live in a corner.

    CK

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  2. maybe DA green is best selling colore??? :/

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  3. ...what if the ultramarines are going to be killed off in large number? Another tyrand attack or chaos attacks the homeworlds of the remaining legends. Fulgrim still has some unfinished business.

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  4. It looks like there are some blues in that high elf box too, it may just be that they wanted the paint ranges in all the beginner boxes to be kinda different.

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  5. Should be interesting to see what the plan is. The piece that catches my eye is the flip book painting instructions, great little idea if you are following a standard paint scheme.

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    1. It's a great idea for novice painters and colourblind folk like myself.

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  6. I guess the Ultramarines movie reviews knocked the boy scouts off of their pedestal of perfection...

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    1. As opposed to the Dark Angels movie reviews?

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  7. Maybe they're just going to do more starter sets.
    An Ultramarine one, a Dark Angels, Blood Angels and so on..

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  8. Those paint sets always link up with their respective system's starter set. I am convinced now that DA are in the 6th Ed starter, and that the new edition drops this year.

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  9. I would point out that they did just do a big event based around the release of an Ultramarines novel. Also, it wouldn't be the first time we had a different chapter in the starter set. In the previous edition it was Black Templar.

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  10. I actual hope Ultra marines are getting dropped from being the poster child as 1. my ultramarines will not get so much hate and 2. hopefully Ultramarines can have thier own codex and rules.

    Also one more thing......... thank you natfka for your good work. :)

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    1. I doubt Ultramarines will ever get their own codex as its against all of their fluff really. The reason they're the flagship template chapter of C:SM is because thats what they are in the fluff too.

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    2. To be fair they kind of do have their own codex ;D

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    3. Duffs? Is that you?

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  11. If the rumor, that Dark Angels will be the new poster boys, turns out to be true, this could mean, that we won't see a new Space Marine Codex soon.
    With the past editions you always had the poster boys get a new codex shortly after release (at least the Space Marines did for sure).
    If this comes true, that would also mean more room / time for some new xenos codex (Eldar, Tau...).
    Just my thoughts on that.

    And as an old time DA fanboy (been playing them since I got my Rogue Trader plastic marine set), I'm looking forward to a new DA release and some more attention to them.

    Cheers,
    HellHenni

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    1. Personally, I'm hoping they just fold Dark Angels into the general Space Marines Codex. That way they just release a big Space Marines codex, with a Dark Angel on the cover, fairly early into the new edition.

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    2. that actually sounds reasonably possible, might make for a decent rumor speculation. regardless of personal preference.

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    3. Folding the DA codex would be terrible! Im a long time Space Wolves collector myself but DA are one of the most unique and fluffy chapters out there. I'm personally looking forward to seeing if they expand on the fallen side of the fluff in both the forthcoming Chaos and DA books.

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    4. There really isn't anything unique about the Dark Angels at all rules-wise. No need to have a separate rulebook if the only difference is the fluff.

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    5. There is plenty unique about dark angels, they were just stripped of a lot of their fluffy rules in 4th ed and and the remaining unique stuff they had just got rolled into other codexes. That's like saying there is nothing unique about blood angels except assault marines as troops. It just isn't true.

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    6. @2nd Anon: Dark angels are definitely not a very unique chapter. Sorry if this sounds a bit rude, but in essence, they are green Ultramarines with some robes, feathers, and a bit more emphasis on bikes and terminators.
      The only different thing about them is their background, but that's the same for most space marine chapters. Take crimson fists, for example. An iconic and fairly unique chapter. They have some very different background compared to some other chapters, a special character and slightly different organisation. Yet they are in the vanilla space marine codex. So, if them, why not dark angels? There's enough Crimson Fist fluff in the codex to keep fans happy. So why shouldn't they do it with Dark Angels?

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    7. That's like saying blood angels are codex marines with assault troops and a dreadnought with two close combat weapons. It simply isn't true. Even in it's stripped down state, our last codex had several unique things (typhoons, bikes/terminators as troops) until codex marines got them. Previous codexes had many fluff-based rules that were unique. Dark Angels have the greatest access to pre-heresy tech next to admech and the inquisition (we have a damn jetbike!). It would be great to get a new codex that emphasized some of our unique fluff.

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    8. Every chapter (especially chaos) has unique background, organisation, characters, and maybe a few special units. I see no reason why chapters like Dark Angels and Black Templars should get a codex to themselves, when they do not differ that much from the Codex Astartes Chapters.
      I can understand why some chapters, such as blood angels and space wolves, which are radically different from the norm, deserve their own codex as it would be ridiculous to group them with chapters like the Ultramarines. But if the most radical difference is the fluff, put them in Codex Space Marines.
      My biggest problem with having different codices for chapters like DA and BT is that Chaos are once again ignored. All we have is one codex to contain such opposing Chapters as the World Eaters and the Thousand Sons, and yet you DA players complain if we suggest that youR codex be combined, like ours.

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    9. Actually the Blood Angels are closer to the Codex Astartes then the Dark Angels are. Same for the Black Templars, they do differ quite a lot.
      I'm playing Dark Angels, as well as Night Lords (besides other non-SM armies) and I do long for a more unique codex for the different C:SM Legions. But, as W40k has grown, Chaos simply used to start of as one codex back in the days, while the loyal Chapters started with a variety of codex.
      Now taking a whole codex away would definitly be a harsh move by GW. Opposed to the poor Squats who didn't have a codex and had, compared to the DAs of these days, a more slim fan base.
      As I've already written in a another post, the DA codex was really unique upon release. It just got "eaten" by other SM codex: pure Terminator-/Bike-armies, Combat squads. Dreadnoughts with the same gun on both sides where invented by the DAs (only ForgeWorld though) and now every other chapter fields them...
      So DAs used to be unique and I'm pretty sure with a new codex they will be that again.
      And I also hope, our chaotic brothers will get some love (not the Slaanesh kind of though...).
      So have some sympathy with us DAs and let us have enjoy our hopes and dreams for a new codex. It doesn't hurt you to do so, does it? ;-)

      Regards,
      HellHenni

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    10. Fair enough. Ultramarines steal everyone's toys...

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  12. Typically we get a Space Marine Codex after the new edition. Maybe they will follow the trend and do just that. Only the new Codex will incorporate Dark Angels. I mean really, just make Interrogator Chaplin an upgrade, Deathwing, and ravenwing character, a page of fluff. And Bam!

    And I'm not hating on Dark Angels infact their my favorite Marines but I don't the see need for 6 Marine Codexes.

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    1. agreed.

      If this is true then DA will be rolled into the "Vanilla" codex.

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  13. Probably I'd prefer less codices and more armies. I mean, the ossibility to play different styled armies with the same book. Assuming the books have fairly balanced units it would be nice because this way all armies would get more updates and more nice stuff.
    Probably wouldn't increase sales anyway...

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    1. like playing a shotgun heavy guard army with web guns, rhino transport and carapace armour and calling them Judges?

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  14. how about... fluff as pdf downloads for various SM armies, with the C:SM have chapters for special characters, units and rules/tricks and the last half of the codex is just playing stats!

    hell even make a Space Marine fluff book with the SM armies from C:SM. (next comment will say, I WILL NOT PAY FOR TWO BOOKS!) well, I would.

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    1. I WILL NOT PAY FOR TWO BOOKS!

      Looks like you were right.

      I expect separate codices will probably sell better than having just two books for most space marine chapters.
      On the other hand, I'm all for rolling the Space Marine codices into one book. I don't see why space marines deserve about six different codices, while all of the heretical power armour people in the galaxy get just one small book.

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  15. Let's hope the DA's get some real love this time around.
    Some unique units would go a long ways towards healing old wounds & justifying a separate codex.

    Either way I'll be there with my deathwing taking my lumps : )

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  16. Personally I want dark angels to be rolled into C:SM. It works better, its easier to understand and all you really need is a few special characters. In Essence the dark angels play like a combo army of iron hands + white scars. Both of these armies are in C:SM, why not DA.

    I'm not big on the fluff (its all literally based on a poem by a repressed homosexual (which shows how good the fluff writers are at there job btw)) of DA either but it is the only uniquue point.

    In conclusion, dark angels probably could easally be thrown into C:SM, just throw out a few upgrade frames and a couple of character models (razorwing and deathwind) and volla you have a dark angels army.

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  17. I don't think the 1st Legion, Dark Angels, is gonna get rolled into the Codex Astartes, they are the Chapter that is the most anti-Codex (secret cabal anyone?). Also, everyone is basing this belief that they will get rolled into C:SM based on PAST rules.... Here's to hoping for a major DA update, I miss the days were they were all Stubborn in 3rd, just to annoy my buddies.

    Take a moment and think about the why and how the 1st Legion might be made so important in 6th edition.

    Besides, from a business stand point, it would be a bad decision. It would cut the number of codices sold, got to buy 2 to play instead of 1... Also, it opens the door for more model kits for people to spontaneously buy or to use for conversions.

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    1. anti codex sorry but grey knights trump them with that, then the blood angels with the red thirst and black rage arnt exactly codex either, and dont even get me started on space wolves as somone pointed out before the DA wear cloaks ( woah that is like so much more protective than power armour) and their green ( salamanders) so actualy i think they would be better in c:sm with some SCs and there you go.

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    2. As I don't play Dark Angels and am not an expert on the fluff, could you explain what the secret cabal is?
      I'm with anon above on this, there are far more anti codex chapters out there. Hell, there are even some in the current codex space marines. Raven guard? Imperial fists? Crimson Fists?
      Only the Ultramarines follow the codex Astartes exactly. So I would like to know why they deserve a massive update to expand on rules which could be rolled in the space marine codex, as the only major difference is fluff.

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    3. The Blood Angels are actually pretty true to the Codex Astartes: see coloring of shoulder rims and helmets. Also see force organisation which is most important to be considered a true Codex Chapter.
      The Space Wolves on the other hand... Well, they are definitly not a Codex chapter. ;-)
      The Dark Angels do follow the Codex Astartes to some degree, but they don't use the coloring and also have a slightly different force organisation (see 1. and 2. Company, aka Deathwing and Ravenwing).
      The cabal Astalen mentioned is about the betray of parts of the Dark Angels Legion during / at the end of the Great Crusade. The Dark Angels and their successor chapters are still covering it up and hunt down the "Fallen" Dark Angels, who have been thrown by chaos through time and space. The DAs happened to have left others on their own (potentially to their doom), just to pursuit their own goals (catching the fallen).
      See the W40k-Lexicanum for some more details.

      Cheers,
      HellHenni

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    4. @Anon#1, the Grey Knights are a secret Founding, created I believe shortly before the Second Founding, I believe. They are not bound by the Codex Astartes as such and furthermore, they exist as mere myth to the rest of the Imperium (for those whom have had the misfortune to meet them, they know they're real). Furthermore,

      @Anon #2, the Blood Angels are pretty codex for the most part save they're battle tactics in regards to their more unique assets. The Space Wolves don't exist in the Codex Astartes, they are basically the example of what NOT to do. The Inquisition hates em, the High Lords distrust them, they have more then the 10+1 companies as dictated nor are their newbies made to be scouts first.

      @Shrike
      Ok, the Dark Angels have the Deathwing. They are more then just the First Company, they are what some might call fully initiated Brothers of the Chapter. When a Battle-Brother is inducted into the Deathwing, they are slowly taught the truth. They first learn of the Fallen Dark Angels, and as they advance in the Deathwing, they learn more. Only the Supreme Grand Master, currently Azrael, knows the whole truth of the Fallen and Luther. The 1st Company is all terminators true, but they are near full fledge Deathwing as well. The 2nd Company, the Ravenwing, are the eyes and ears of the Inner Circle in the hunt for the Fallen and contains the majority of their bikes, speeders, and the fabled Jet bike.

      The Inner Circle is what makes the Dark Angels so secretive and anti-codex. The Dark Angels created the Inner Circle in order to circumvent the Codex Astartes and remain near Legion numbers. To borrow from Warhammer40k wikia, the Angels of Absolution, Angels of Redemption, Angels of Vengence, Consecrators, Disciples of Caliban, and a few other Chapters are successors of the Dark Angels, and all their Grand Masters are part of the Inner Circle and answer to the Dark Angel's Supreme Grand Master. They have also know the Legion secret and have similar organizations like the Dark Angels.

      As for everyone saying that should be rolled into Codex: Space Marine, I think that would be bad both business wise for their bottom line, and game wise. They deserve their own codex just like the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, and of course C:SM. The better idea is what they are going to do to make them more unique.

      Oh, and my name is a play on one of the biggest Fallen Angels, Astelan. I'm a big Dark Angel fan, so I'll defend them, but I feel all the "major chapters" deserve their own Codices.

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    5. Thanks! I got the name reference, but nobody has ever actually explained it all to me. I'm mostly fine with a seperate DA codex, but I think they should do a similar thing with Chaos.
      I mean, let's face it (apart from Space Wolves) space marine chapters have a fairly common organisation when compared to the Chaos Space Marine Legions.

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    6. @Shrike

      Maybe we can get Forge World to start making Codices for armies or including them with the Imperial Armour series. I have Vol.'s 9&10 but they can be unwieldy when trying to reference for rules.

      But yeah, I'd love them to expand the Chaos Marines, and hell the Eldar have always seemed diverse to me so they could probably use it to.

      Here's to hope in rumors! Plasma Tanks, Chaplain sergeants and Chaos codices (one can hope :P)!

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  19. Anyone notice how on the website: GW's paint testimonial has a guy with a ravenwing army? It does seem like Dark Angels are the new Ultramarines.

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