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Chaos Legion Rumors: Compilation

This morning we are looking at the current rumors for what is expected to be the biggest releases of 2012, Chaos Legions. If Chaos Legions hit the shelves this year, I think a good majority of long time 40k players will consider it a good a year. Add to that Tau, possibly Black Templar, a 6th edition summer release and wow. Did I mention there are even rumors of Eldar being released towards the end of the year.

Chaos Legions will be my next codex. What legion will I play? Who knows. Night Lords is still my old favorite, but with new fluff, and a brand new look at the codex, I may fall for any of them.

Please remember that these are rumors, and to take with the standard application of salt.

This compilation was put together by the Dude
General information:
ghost21 reports that the plan is for 3 Chaos books. Legions, Renegades and Daemons

Daemons are already covered, so the next book will cover the Chaos Legions, with a future Renegades codex incorporating all manner of traitor humans, mutants and Marines-gone-bad.

Jared Van Kell from Liberium Online supports this split of Codices.

ghost21 thinks this Legions book will be 1st or 2nd book after 6th edition, which is being released July 2012, putting the release around October-November 2012

via Harry
I do think CSM are the first sixth edition book but not sure if they come just before or just after 6th edition.

(note he does not mention what type of CSM will be covered in this book)

theDarkGeneral contradicts this, saying he has heard of 3 separate Legions books with an even split of Legions in each. He claims 2 are planned for release in 2012 and the third for early 2013. He further claims a “Lost and the Damned” style book and a “largely Daemon-based” campaign book are in the works for after that.

via theDarkGeneral
*World Eaters, Word Bearers and Nightlords

*Deathguard, Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children

*Thousand Sons, Alpha Legion and Black Legion

theDarkGeneral more recently began supporting the Legions / Renegades split, agreeing that the current CSM Dex will be tweaked in White Dward and called Chaos Renegades.

Both ghost21 and Jared Van Kell say Mat Ward is rumoured to be writing the codex. (seriously guys, get over it )

Reds8n contradicts this, saying Ward is tied up with other projects (likely LotR or Hobbit related) and that Phil Kelly will be writing this book.

Minor Gods will supposedly make an appearance and all Legions will be included

The minor Gods are named, and will act in a similar way to marks, but have no Daemons.

Ghost21 tells us the background has been expanded and improved so that Legions and their worship of the Gods is far less one-dimensional.

theDarkGeneral says the background will include info on “alliances, distrust and full fledged war within the 9 Traitor Legions” with Black Legion referred to as "arrogant"

Each Legion will have something unique to them, but will have unit restrictions to offset their inherent bonuses.

Ghost21 further clarifies by saying World Eaters may be restricted to 1 Havoc squad, but could potentially take more by “trading in” something else.

via theDarkGeneral
it won't change according to your Legion (HQs) as in swapping more Heavies for less Fast, but your access to units in those categories opens up, becomes limited, or closes off accordingly. Easy example I was given, is taking Khorne Daemon Prince means no Scouts...

And goes on to say the following about the different Legions:

*Nightlords: I don't ask much about them, though a lil' i have for my buddy Paul has around 25,000+ points of them...Hit & Run and Stealth for universal special rules, but possible counter attack (for elite unit) as well as jump pack troops.

*Word Bearers: Apparently getting a lil' extra attention, and besides Dark Apostles, new models for "daemonancers", which just might be unit champs/sgt upgrades. I'm not sure. BUT, their summoning of Daemons from the Warp apparently allows re-rolls on the scatter dice, as well as new mishap chart!

*Deathguard: Feel no pain and blight grenades for their Cult Terminators, new nasty flamers upgrades.

*Thousand Sons: AP3 bolters will be MUCH more useful under 6th Edition, and a couple new Psychic abilities, one of which (supposedly) can remove an entire enemy squad from the table on a failed stat test!

*Iron Warriors: Access to Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield termies, thunderfire cannon off-shoot, Havocs w/Tank Hunters and relentless for some squad...

*Emperor's Children: Lash is finally changed to be more in line with Daemon version. More heavy weapons upgrade count for larger units. Better Bikes? Not sure what that means...

*Alpha Legion: Lots of infiltrating abilities, outflanking, and even temporary control of enemy squads/vehicles...basically sneaky bastards!

*Black Legion: HQs allow broader access to all unit types, but lack of better universal special rules.

*Word Bearers: Will be able to take Marked units but with some restrictions. Apparently with all the current Black Library Books out on them (I'm enjoying their reads!), and mention of the Sanctified in Siege of Vraks, the ability to take Marked units has been brought up. Not sure how they'll do this, if it'll be a 1 unit for 1 unit.

*Alpha Legion: Hardest to get info on, but "might" be able to force a re-roll on the type of scenario?! This honestly sounds more like a Special Character ability to me...but we'll see...

*Iron Warriors: Their Cult Terminators will have access to Thunder Hammer & Storm Shields, as well as Iron-Fire Cannon (thunder fire). Basic Chaos Marine squads "may" be able to take an additional heavy weapons team once past 10 models...

Death Guard gain a new ability (maybe Chosen squads only ?) that allows their poisoned attacks to ignore Armor Saves on a roll of a '6', much similar to Rending without the extra Armor Pen.

Iron Warriors become "siege specialists" which equivalents to Tank Hunters and reducing cover saves on enemy units!

Word Bearers are "zealots" and benefit from Chaplains as well as Turn 1 Daemon Summoning. New Daemonancers models are suppose to be SICK looking, but I believe just unit champ upgrades.

Emperor's Children have a haughtiness to them, but prideful, which may give them counter charge (on top of their already higher Initiative). More heavy weapons upgrades per squad, and their Chosen will be...scary fast!

Alpha Legion apparently have the greatest access to Imperial style vehicles, as well as more of an unlimited Force Org slot selections, next to the Black Legion. Much of their Army will be able to upgrade to "Infiltrators".

Black Legion, aka Sons of Horus, aka Luna Wolves are tentatively stubborn, and have greatest selection amongst the units/vehicles. HOWEVER, they're not fully trusted, not sure how this works out in game terms.

World Eaters truly become the combat monsters they're story lined to be. Marked Dreads, and Daemon Engines will be a prime staple in most Armies...

ghost21 tells us Chaos units have built in negatives depending on the God. It is unclear if these are just Cult Troops, or all Marked units

Nurgle units have a rule called "Stoic" meaning they can’t perform Sweeping Advances and will possibly get something akin to True Grit.

Khorne has to “engage in some kind of combat every turn” (not sure what this means ie does shooting count?) or roll on a D6 table and suffer some random penalty

Tzeentch require a “command figure” (likely Sorcerer) or will act based on a random D6 roll

Slaanesh are described only as having “very harsh results”

theDarkGeneral says Nurgle Flamers can be made poisoned 3+ or even 2+ (possibly through a special character).

He also thinks Plague Knives will be poisoned 4+ with 6s ignoring Armour Saves. Although he goes on to say it’s likely only unit champions and Chosen/Possessed that get them.

ghost21 claims Legions will have access to Artificer Armour but by a different name

theDarkGeneral says the majority of CSM units will retain Bolter, Bolt Pistol & Close Combat Weapon.

theDarkGeneral claims Daemonic Mounts will be useful, with the Undivided version "worth while" for non-Marked Legions. He also implied that Tzeentchian ones will be fast, saying “Thousand Sons will be VERY pleased with their new found speed.”

Special Characters:
ghost21 tells us characters will supposedly be very powerful, including the “Red Angel” from this artwork

Black Library author, Aaron Dembski-Bowden has revealed on B&C that considering discussions amongst Black Library authoirs and the GW IP people, he would be surprised at the Red Angel making an appearance.

Although ghost21 goes on to say he hasn’t seen a named Warsmith character, only a Dark Mechanicus one. Jared Van Kell from Liberium Online contradicts this saying Honsou will make an appearance.

Jared Van Kell says Kharn the Betrayer will become more survivable (likely due to Eternal Warrior and a 4+ Invulnerable save) but goes on to say “his bloodshed knows no bounds”

theDarkGeneral claims we will see the return of Droomrider, Doombreed, and Cypher as well as another 5 new characters. This does not preclude any or all existing special characters being included.

theDarkGeneral also tells us there will be a Slaaneshi Dreadnaught special character. ghost21 also confirms a Dreadnaught Special Character.

theDarkGeneral reports that Ahriman will be better due to new Chaos Psychic powers as well as "some kind of guaranteed psychic ability that can't be stopped via Psychic Hoods, etc"

ghost21 tells us Sorcerers will get something similar to a Psychic Hood, but called something else

ghost21 confirmed what TheDarkGeneral said about Word Bearers getting Chaplains / Dark Apostles

Techmarines will "kind of" be available according to ghost21

Jared Van Kell says Cult Terminators are likely to return under the proviso that they will only appear in dedicated cult lists.

theDarkGeneral tells us Chaos Dreadnaughts will no longer act randomly, and are able to take marks, but will not be able to be Venerable.

theDarkGeneral claims Possessed will be improved and supposedly have upgrades either already included or that you can pay for.

theDarkGeneral claims that Chosen will get more upgrade options, but that they willll get costly quickly depending on the Legion and wargear you select. Wargear options for them supposedly include Jump Packs, Terminator Armour, all types of Combi-Weapons, Twin Lightning Claws and more.

There is a chance that certain HQ choices can take a Chosen squad as a retinue.

ghost21 tells us there will be a "gladiator themed" World Eater unit. Jared Van Kell from Liberium Online says these are Chrono-gladiators who must keep killing in order to stop a timer in their heads from killing them.

ghost21 also says Emperor's Children will have access to a unit described as "soul shieldsman" which is possibly an upgrade for Veterans.

theDarkGeneral mentions a new unit called Brazen Knights consisting of "Skull Champions" (possibly super Khornate CSM Champions) riding Juggernauts. He has more recently suggested that this could in fact be an Apocalypse formation to be released around the same time.

theDarkGeneral implies there will be some kind of “Scout unit” which will not be available to World Eaters.

God-specific Daemons will likely be included, but ghost21 is only sure of the lesser varieties (Plaguebearers, Bloodletters, Daemonettes & Horrors) and not the greater ones

theDarkGeneral claims Daemons will remain as they are in the Daemons Codex, but with slight points adjustments to reflect the ability to summon them and certain 6th edition changes.

theDarkGeneral says Thousand Sons (Rubrik Marines) will not get any weapon options, but the new psychic powers can certainly fill that role.

Fast Attack
theDarkGeneral claims “Assault Berzerkers” with jump packs will be available as Fast Attack choices.

ghost21 tells us Doomrider will be a unit upgrade (presumably for Bike squads)

ghost21 also adds that Nurgle Bikes are in, but their "Stoic" rule may make them less effective in his opinion.

ghost21 hinted that Attack Bikes or something similar may be included

ghost21 claims there may be something "sort of" like a Landspeeder available

Heavy Support
theDarkGeneral tells us Slaughterfiends from Apoc will be available, as well as versions for other Legions and Marks.

theDarkGeneral reports Obliterators maximum unit size is increased to 4

theDarkGeneral says most types of Daemon Engines can be taken as 3 per FOC slot

theDarkGeneral claims Legions will get a new Landraider pattern with a higher transport capacity (possibly 15) and is described as a "warped version of one of the Imperial versions”

It is also rumoured that Land Raiders will get a version of Power of the Machine Spirit

Marked Legions are rumoured to get Havocs

theDarkGeneral has also hinted at the possibility of a new Monstrous Creature that is not a Greater Daemon but can have Marks of the Gods. Not all Legions can take one. For example Night Lords and the Alpha Legion are supposedly unable to take one. No further info is available as yet.

ghost21 claims the Legions may have access to a Daemonic weapon possibly comparable to the Thunderfire Cannon

Dedicated Transports
No news as yet

Plastic Dreadnaught rumoured by both ghost21, Jared Van Kell from Liberium Online and theDarkGeneral. TheDarkGeneral claims it will include multiple Dreadnought close combat weapons types, such as the Chainfist, Thunder Hammer, Power Scourge, etc.

Plastic Plague Bearers rumoured to appear in the 6th edition started

Plastic Plaguemarines rumoured by ghost21

via 75hastings69
I can add to this that the new plastic Raptors are very nice

Also supported by Jared Van Kell who also claims they may come a little later.

theDarkGeneral claims there will be some way of converting Legion-specific models using a sprue of heads and shoulder pads which will fit all Power Armour kits. These would be Direct Only much like the Deff Rolla sprue for the Ork Battlewagon.

via Harry
What I heard was a box with the bits to make different legions.

But I thought this was something to do with Chaos Space Marines and the kit including various heads, spiky bits and icons to make different flavours of Chaos Marines.

Abaddon – ghost21 claims this miniature is almost identical to the existing one, but “bulkier and taller” Liberium Online's Jared Van Kell supports this.

Kharn the Betrayer– Rumoured new miniature is described by Jared Van Kell as “bulkier and still ferocious in motion”

”Little” Horus Axiamand - ghost21 reports seeing a miniature for this guy, and implies it is very good

There’s some chatter about a boxed set featuring a named character from every legion. Jared Van Kell from Liberium Online has implied this will be Horus Axiamand, Honsou, an unknown Raptor Lord (Night Lords?), Kharn the Betrayer, Ahriman, Typhus, and Lucius the Eternal. This could be where conflicting reports of the inclusion of some characters has come from.

ghost21 also claims to have spotted a miniature for a Dark Mechanicus character. He described it as a very creepy sculpt based on a john Blanche piece

Jared Van Kell from Liberium Online has said this is a side project.

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  1. Fantastic !the only question is what one to chose

  2. The Black Legion will be the strongest legion?

  3. You should really give credit for the post you copy and pasted. The poster put a lot of time into it, and deserves credit.

  4. Anon, please read articles before getting all high and mighty. Credit is there as always.

    This is not a forum, and even though you are polite about it, drama is not allowed here.

  5. Wow.. i want know about Night Lords..
    but there are too concealed..

  6. Not much is known about Alpha Legion or Night Lords.... Hmmmm, coincidence? Lol, there the two most sneaky legions. I wonder if this was done purposely.

  7. im just happy to hear good things on the iron warriors, the thunderfire cannon thing seems kinda weird though >>

  8. Good read, thank you.

  9. Very good! Let's hope most of these rumors are true! The actual Codex is playble and still strong vs new Codexes (although DE, BA and GK are very very strong and a little unbalanced for CSM...) but for sure is totally lacking BG flavour. Legions must come back and mixing too much the different Gods' special units must be possible only under the command of a undivided overlord, like Abaddon in his Black Crusades. It must be easier for players who like Legion play to build their armies, and the options must respect the BG contained in all the artworks and novels that in more than 30 years have been published! The actual codex is far too generic and more than one kind of army (a lot more) must be avaliable to Chaos players! Thank you for these new!