Games Workshop Answers the Rebasing Issue



With new bases coming out on the Blood Angel Tactical Squad and Death Company, there was a lot of debate (and still is) about what will happen to our armies. Will we be required to rebase them? Is this going to even be the norm? Well a reader here sent in the question and Games Workshop responded.


The Question
Dear Sir / Madam,
I have a question, can you explain what units will utilize the new 32mm bases?  I've seen these are included in Shield of Baal: Deathstorm & can only assume these are for the Death Company.

I ask as I am about to start painting my Black Legion army & want them all on the correct bases prior to commencing.

Your help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.


The Response from Games Workshop
Thanks for the email.
The new 32mm bases were a design choice made by the sculptors, to make the Death Company look more imposing. There is no specific base that you have to use for the Death Company, so should you wish to mount them on the smaller 20mm bases this is fine, but if you would rather have the slightly larger 32mm base, this is also fine.

I hope that this helps, but if you need anything further, please let me know.
Kind regards

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  1. Yep, sticking with 25mm bases. Don't really understand how it was the "Sculptor's choice" since the Death company have been out for years

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  2. Any SM player noticed that sometimes, legs go out of the base. It's good to know, that GW doesn't scream out "UNOFFICIAL" at all current models with small bases, and doesn't force us to spend a fortune on these new ones. However, there might be an issue in CQC, where bigger base allows for greater amount of hits to be landed

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    1. and that's why they aren't a tournament company anymore.

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    2. But bigger bases means more hits back, and reduces potential charge lanes and how many can get into base in some situations (and how many can fit in the 2" inclusion zone). Honestly the 7mm difference is pretty much a complete wash.

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    3. It definitely has an impact on the game, especially in a 'serious setting'.

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    4. Tournament players' tears give me strength.

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    5. "and that's why they aren't a tournament company anymore."

      Thank F**k for that. Now we can get on with enjoying our games rather than getting buthurt over "ranking"

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    6. Why pose a question about the rules to a model company?

      The simple answer is to check the rules package of the tournaments you want to participate in, or ask them for a FAQ on the matter. GW has long ago ceded all responsibility in regard to organized play to the tournament organizers.

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    7. Because GW customer services usually respond to most questions about anything.

      :]

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    8. There will be issues.

      All new Kits are 32 mm bases.
      BA tac
      SangP.
      SG & DC repack

      How can you have 2 Base size units, armys & Games?

      Its very clear this will be BRB forced sooner or later. And Its the perfekt excuse for a mass repacks wave with pricehike. After all bigger bases cost more.

      If you ask me BAs are just a Test Phase. To see if people like it & they can pull it off.

      I hope not. But Its GW we are talking about.

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    9. I read it similarly. These large bases will be declared an astounding success with all us gamers (apparently) clamouring for them...but few non GW employees will know such a player.

      Their marketing / sales machine has begun it's inevitable imposition of something many of us don't want.

      Apart from changing bases on already painted figures, figure case inners will have to be changed, less figures stored (requiring more/different cases) and will have significant impact in game, using the current rules.

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  3. 32mm bases will help alleviate the wobbly base syndrome a lot of my models have... I just need to wait for the base sculptors to catch up before re-basing mine.

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  4. Thank you l, now can everyone STFU about being FORCED to rebase their stuff.
    At no point in time was anyone going to HAVE to rebase their stuff.
    But if the interwebz doesn't have a reason to hate on GW then why not make one up!.

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    1. But......but.......you do realize now that people will have to hate something else. it is the nature of the interwebz.

      [it is also the birthplace of false assumptions]

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    2. Both of those things have been around for millennia.

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    3. When 3rd came everyone said "youre Not forced to play 1k or higher Games" "you can still play 500 points"

      Oh look what happend!

      Dont be a fool. GW Games are always developing with the "times" changed annual expectations/goals!
      I have loads of stuff that got obsolet!

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  5. I hope the whole community doesn't jump to conclusions and accuse GW of trying to make money on things like this. It would be a shame if random internet talking heads leveled accusations like this and accused GW of hurting the gaming community. Oh wait, it happened.

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    1. on this specific post ....yeah ....you mentioned it, and every other day by some random "Internet".....

      man i Hate "Internet".... [in the broad sweeping generalized way of course like everyone who vaguely mentions and associates a certain splinter of the community whom voices an opinion but mentions casually off the bat "Internet"]

      we all know one but pretend we're not one.... :D

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    2. Random internet talking heads, is what he said.

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    3. GW needs to take some responsibility for that though. In this day and age where I can text someone half a world away and get a reply 10 seconds later. Then it's a little absurd that a Company who writes rules, around a multi-million dollar game, wouldn't come out with a statement that's a simple: "Hay, hay guys, we're coming out with some new bases, but it's all good, it's just for design reasons, doesn't it look awesome!".

      But that's part of their refusal to involve themselves in community management.

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    4. They are a model company, not a gaming one. The bases do look awesome for characters and such who could go on a bigger base to look more epic, but a termie base being too big

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    5. Dude, who are you lying to? They are a model company that only makes models for their game.. And for years they have said models have to come on the bases that came in the package. This is a complete turn around for previous ruling.

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    6. My recollection is you could always rebase, but rebasing for advantage was frowned upon, while rebasing for aesthetics was encouraged.

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    7. I've got no idea what all the panty-bunching is about?

      Models are used on the bases they are supplied with, regardless of age.

      Re-basing older models like Terminators up to their newer size is pretty much the only base-changing that's officially OK as it's not for advantage, it just brings them in-line with the newer models *but it has never been an official requirement to play 40k*.

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    8. If GW is a model company why do they charge for rules? they should come with the models. Unless Games Workshop is a game company.

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    9. Isnt "they need to make money" & "all companies make money" usually the argument fanboys make to defend BS moves like this from GW?

      We dont need new bases.
      I for sure dont care for rebaseing

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  6. Read the rules folks. On Page 9, it clearly states you wouldn't need to rebase your models....

    Models should be based on the bases they are supplied with. If you were given 25mm bases, you use 25mm bases

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    1. +1 someone who knows their rules.

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    2. that rule's been in place for at least 3-4 editions now, yet the question still keeps appearing

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    3. ^ i know. sad thing is we'll likely hear it in another 3-4 ed's

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    4. the problem is, in 1 or 2 years new players will not know that jump infantry used to be on 25mm and start to make a fuss that my 40+ models are incorrectly based. anyway i don't care gonna sell them before that rebasing madness break out and reinvest the few bucks i get from them in some new game like x-wing.

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    5. You'd think everyone would know stuff like this, when someone shows up with an original rhino or ork trukk. :) Still legal!

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    6. Actually the rule says - And I quote directly -

      "The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some model's aren't supplied with a base at all.

      In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size is you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance."

      So much for people knowing their rules then.....

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    7. Simon, what you just quoted is paraphrased as "Models should be based on the bases they are supplied with" but then you can ass "if you want to put them on different ones to match newer models, go for it, but its up to you"

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    8. Bikes used ti be supplied with squar bases, later no bases& even later round&long bases.
      So wich ones are leagel?

      If i use the no Base version can i claim you didnt move or cant move into Base to Base so dont get to assault me?

      People are really stupid to think this wont creat issues and that everything is covered by the BRB and statments like "use what you like" or "agree before game"
      Just not practical if you want to play the game more than casual. We need a supported and complet game. Anything els is Not going to sell well. Or let me put it this way. It wont be played a lot. So many other Games comeing out. So many other companies. Customers really dont need to take Willynilly like this!

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    9. Don't be ridiculous, I've been playing this game since the hull store first appeared (early 90's if not late 80's) I've seen new models come and go, different size and shape bases and I have never seen GW demand rebasing nor have I ever seen any player (friendly or tournament) kick off about legacy bases in fact for many editions their used to be a rule in the brb that you should use the bases they come with but you may use larger bases if desired, just not smaller ones. To think this will be an issue is preposterous

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    10. Most rules have something about being in Base contact or over the Base with a template ect ect.

      If i can use a 10inch size Base. I can block of half the table with a scouts squad.

      Its a way to abuse rules. Bases will defenitly be a issue once more people start haveing them!

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  7. Frankly I like having the option for a larger base size and I am glad I don't have to rebase all my models (I play ork horde). I'm also glad I have a solution to the minor appearance issue of having model's feet dangle off the edge of the base without you 40mm bases.

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    1. You had before.
      40mm & 60mm bases & oval

      If they wanted to just give you the "Option" they would not have included them as standart new size in all BA non finecast Kits.
      Its not really a Option if you have to use it!

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  8. I on here days ago an email about this specifically mentioning Wolves, Grey Knights and other marines and the clearly stated that this is the new standard base size for all future marines but it is always the persons choice to change Obviously they don't want to say you have to due to the hate.

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    1. Would just mean that all marine releases from now on will be supplied with 32mm bases, phasing in gradually. So 25mm bases are fully legit but are being phased out.

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    2. It's nothing to do with saying that people have to change all their bases, because that's never been demanded by the rules to play.

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    3. Never been demanded?
      Every new dex is a rereleas & Its demanded from most players (even casual) that you use it over the old one.
      How can you say its not demanded "like always"
      Are you going to denie youre opponent the use?

      Dont be silly. In 6 months people will demand that its mandatory!

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  9. And really, natural errors in moving and measuring over the course of a game are gonna make more of a difference than the 7mm bases size difference ever will.

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    1. To a point yeah. There are genuine criticisms to be made in the context of assaults, where you physically can only fit in so many models. Personally I don't care - 32mm looks cooler and fits the presence of the model better, so I'm going to use them.

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  10. So sculpters decide what base size? I'm pretty sure they want all the models to come on 32mm instead of 25mm. I like the bigger bases, especially on assault marines.

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  11. But.. the sender only asked about the Death Company bases... the normal Tactical Marines are all on the 32mm bases as well...

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    1. If you read and understood what the correspondant had said....you;d know this is not an issue.

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    2. He said you can use what you want. Aka. Youre opponent can demand.

      As in : "i could Hit less units" "you could assault with less"

      It makes a game diffrence. Why should he let you pick and choose bases?
      Why can he not use his "better" bases?

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  12. It'll be interested to see if Necron warriors follow the same path. All mine hang off the base because of their stance.

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  13. My OCD is gonna kill me if I have different base units :-)

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  14. I honestly think that marines make more sense on bigger bases becuase you know they are bigger... how cares really hahaha

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  15. Even if GW came back and said "Yep, 32mm is the new official base size for everything in power armor!", if someone told me that I was cheating or that I had to convert my whole army of custom resin bases, I would have told them exactly which orifice they could stuff it up.

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  16. So all the whiners can cram it with walnuts. GW has no plans to "make you rebase your army."

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    1. GW may not have any such plans, because it seems pretty clear that they don't really care about base sizes. But if you play tournaments, TOs may enforce stricter rules.

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    2. I'd say that GW do care about base sizes otherwise they wouldn't bother changing them.

      :S

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    3. Why did they make them?

      How do you know?
      Are you saying they dont want to sell the new products?

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  17. The reply of the GW guy is not correct cause the new BA tacticals and the new Sanguinary Priest are clearly in 32mm bases and both Sanguinary Guard and Death Company are taken out of sales ti be repacked with 32mm bases...
    Now according to what the BRB says "You must put your models on the bases you find in the box but you can put in bigger bases for modelling reasons" you will be forced by GW if you already have a started BA army to have half models in 25mm and half in 32mm considering that the units in common with the othe Astartes armies (Devastators, Scouts, Assaulters, Veterans) are still on 25mm bases OR you will have to spend money on the new 32mm bases for the old models...
    In addiction we will start to see Astartes armies on 25mm against Astartes armies on 32mm, Tyranid warriors on 50mm against Tyranid warriors on 40mm, Carnifexes on MC oval bases against Carnifexes on 60mm bases... This because in Deathstorm they changed this bases too and they added also a small oval base that screams "new base for bikes" to me (and i am waiting to see a oval base for attack base to appear somewhere in the future cause attack bikes are bigger than 60mm round ones)...
    Incidentally 32 mm bases are the same size as clear flyer bases like 60mm ones are the same size as big flyer bases so as it happens now in WHFB where the clear Flying stands are mounted in regular square or rectangular bases i guess that in future 49k will abbandon the round clear bases and we will put the flying stands on 32mm bases for jetbikes and on 60mm bases fir things like LS and agrav tanks (if they don't introduce a bigger round/oval vase for them ofc)...
    This in my opinion is the nail in the coffin for 40k as a game cause now it has become just "put you models on the table and throw some dices on the table and see what happens"...

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    1. Warhammer has always been put models on the table and throw some dice, sorry this has made you get mad.

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    2. not really, that was during the rogue trader era, and it was fun. after that they tried to put some order in the chaos.

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    3. At its core, its a narrative wargame about using cool models to play out battles in the far future, nothing more.

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  18. That's how I play every game. Still I'm. Going to lol when someone assaults 1 of my 5 rouge terminator squads on it's 24mm bases with power armour on 32mm bases.😥

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  20. I found it legitimately hilarious how angry and neurotic people got about this. "Waaaa, I need to have the 'official' bases on my models, waaaa."

    GW probably saw the ludicrous nerd rage and fell over themselves laughing.

    As an aside, I stuck my reclusiarch on a Terminator base. Because it looks cool and I'm not crippled by bizarre neuroses about base size. Y'all need to chill the hell out.

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    1. so this is an hobby where you carefully paint and lovely collect miniature soldiers then you play with them against other people who took their time to read a rulebook of 200+ pages in which is clearly stated what is official and what is not. uhm yeah, this is not a thing for nerds. nerds should stay out of it! and who cares about having your carefully painted and collected army on same bases so they look good together and other people can't make a fuss when you play against them in nerd's stuff called "official tournaments organized by GW". the same GW company who's making a big laugh about a big chunk of their customers, the so called nerds, the same poor fools who thinks that since they are playing a game with rules, they should make such a ludicrous thing like trying to stick to them rules. but yeah, at least in one aspect you are totally right, the whole matter is such a laughable thing...

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    3. And you - "Honour Guard" - wouldn't be whinging about "official" base size when there is no such thing.

      There is only "appropriate" base size has clearly stated in the rulebook.

      Please tell me where the rulebook defines "appropriate".


      Just so you can read - word for word - what the rulebook says:

      "The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some model's aren't supplied with a base at all.

      In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size is you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance."

      There....now please carry on defending those people who were going ""Waaaa, I need to have the 'official' bases on my models, waaaa."" for me will you....? ;)

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    4. It says you're free to use an appropriate base in the cases where no base is supplied. Where a base is supplied, it says the rules assume you use the base the models ARE supplied with. Note present tense - ARE, not WERE - so it's quite plausible to say you should be using the new bases (e.g. Terminators on 40mm, even if originally bought on 25mm).

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    5. totally agree with ben. in a few months we'll see lot of nerds raging about our armies of 50+ painstackingly painted and based space mareens being "illegal" cause they are not on 32mm bases. and they will be even correct, from a litteral point of view, because they will not be based on what them models are ACTUALLY supplied with. it's in the rules sir.

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    6. and answering simon trammer: i don't defend people who goes on nerdrage about new bases. actually i fear them. because i don't have the time neither the will to rebase my jump infantry heavy blood angel army. but i attend "official" tournaments like Battle Brothers sometimes, and i know i will face the issue. so tbh i feel quite frustrated and i would like GW to be more honest in future (well i haven't been in the past, so why should i expect something like this from them, i hear you ask...). they are hiding behind a finger, as usual. because they are introducing a big changement for one of their most popular armies (i.e. space marines, and any meq like chaos and such) but they don't even bother to adress their game base explaining how this is going to affect them (if it's going to affect them at all). this, in my very humble and ininfluent opinion, it's quite irrespectful for people who's spending a lot of money and time for their products. iphones change everytime, but at least apple takes the pain to explain us why and in which way this is gonna improve our experience with them. GW simply pretends nothing have happened and, for using Thomas' words, secretly "fell over themselves laughing"...

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    7. HG you are simply wrong. You can use the bases they came with.

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  21. I don't think that's a legit response from GW?

    My biggest issue is that they've stayed silent. Would have been real easy for them to do a short update on their blog. Hey guys, you've seen our bigger bases, well this is because...

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    1. Sorry, reread my post. I am not doubting the source. I meant not legit as in not the full story / complete picture / an official statement.

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    2. Yeah, I don't know who answers these questions, but the fact that they don't even know the current base size doesn't fill me with confidence. Or are they saying it's ok to use a 20mm square base from Fantasy? Because to my knowledge they've never made 20mm round bases...

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    3. They're not staying silent, they answered through their usual channel of communication with customers, via email, pop into your local GW store and they'd be happy to answer too

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    4. Its not really a answer.

      Its more avoiding calification!
      Its typical for GW.

      According to this i could still use no base models. Wich is really great if you take other rules RAW.

      No one can Base to Base my no base units! :D

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  22. Can't rebase my models anyway as trying to get their feet off the bases would damage them.

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    1. guess many of us have the same issue, for what it's worth. my minis are not such great work that anyone would care anyway, but it still matters to me.

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    2. You can cut the rim off your base. Will leave you with a flatish circle. Glue that to new base and tidy up. Or trim around the feet, glue to new base and tidy up.

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    3. yeah, guess i could, and in the end i will end doing it, just pisses me a lot. guess i will live with it though. unless i find someone who buys my bangels :P

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    4. If you don't want to damage the models, don't rebase them. Done.

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    5. seems simple but it isn't, read all the above conversation ;)

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    6. You mean the above conversation where you flip out about there being an "official" base size when there isn't one?

      "Sometimes a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases."

      Basically - "players can stick shit on whatever base they want if it looks cool."

      Now chill out and stow thy nerd rage.

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    7. Thank you Thomas. I think he means "read the above conversation" where I go on and on about a rule then misinterpret it so that I can piss and moan some more.

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    8. sorry if i pissed someone, i never thought that my worry about the actual change would raise such overreaction. it didn't seem to me i was pissing someone though, just manifesting some lecit concern about what i'm still thinking a major change. i will just keep quiet from now on to avoid offending someone with my pointless moans.

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  23. I'm more interested in the 20mm base I thought the standard Infantry base was 25mm

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  24. That is same response I had of GW.
    I think it will be fazed in over a period of months.
    suppose we will just have to wait and see about the rules question, I am also worried as where this will go. and as for re-basing my current Marine armies Not In a Million years!
    :)

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  25. For the record I am not rebasing any of my miniatures. However, it always bothered me that my Space Marines are the same height as a lowly Imperial Guardsman. It occurred to me that if I was somehow forced to rebase I could just glue a 32mm base to the bottom of the old 25mm base thereby giving my Space Marine additional height as well as width. It might even give me the opportunity to add a little rocky outcropping or something.

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    1. Except they are not the same height. Put them together. The SM is clearly taller and bigger.

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  26. 20mm base? Does that even exist? Lol, cant believe this was the response from a GW employee.

    Also, if what he says is true, then why are the tacticals also on 32mm bases, if you look at the WD cover?

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  27. I have a bunch of 20mm bases, but I dont think a marine will fit on one! Maybe a single legged pose? Stupid GW employees! DOnt even know thier own product range, what idiots.

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