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For Hive Guard and Tyrant Guard Models


Something interesting came in today, and is simply from a phone call with a little bit of information regarding older Hive Guard and Tyrant Guard models that needed to be updated to the new match new models.


Please remember that this is considered to be a rumor.

via a reader here on Faeit 212
I spoke to            at gwhq on the phone today and           informed me that the 50mm round bases would be available separately asap and are aiming for february/march time. They will be available from the online store in the same section as the other bases. Great for updating the older hive and tyrant guard models.

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  1. But surely you won't need to update your bases? In tournaments (GW ones at least) it states that models must use the bases provided, so if a new model uses a different size base, it shouldn't affect the older models.

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    1. I would like to echo what Nick Powell said. If a model gets a new base size that becomes the expectation/standard.

      I remember playing a guy in 3rd edition who used Rogue Trader era Ork Bikers because they were 1/3 the size of the current ones. He thought he was clever - even said he did it on purpose. I say he was a cheater. I let it slide but it was a crappy move - straight up.

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    2. Yup, exactly this ^

      You can fit 3 broadsides in a lot of places using 40mm bases that you can't fit 60mm bases...such as on any level of a GW ruin, or on most of their fortifications, which makes a big difference and changes the dynamic of the game for both players.

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    3. What if we've worked at basing our Guard and don't want to be bothered with tossing out perfectly fine bases and redoing new ones? I think worst case I'll just use magnets to be able to stack my Guard on 50mm bases.

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    4. @xNickBaranx's ork bike comment.

      How can using official models be cheating, or even modelling for advantage?

      The problem here is GW making everything larger.

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  2. I suppose it depends on the tournament. I know in my area some do require that you change the bases, since it does make a difference in charge range, shooting range, cover availability, etc.

    When tau came out many ppl had to switch their old broadsides to 60mm for the tournament scene.

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  3. Also, the most recent pics of hive and tyrant guard don't seem to be on 50mm, they still look like 40mm to me unless they're absolutely enormous compared to the previous versions. They're larger even than space marine centurions if this is the case.

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  4. They are large.

    That said, I remember a guy who used to only use old terminator models on the 28mm bases even when the new ones switched to 40mm. It allowed him to fit them in small places, blasts couldn't hit as many, and not as many enemies could get into base contact with them.

    Those people are the problem with the games, not GW.

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    1. Wouldn't blast hit more models if they were on smaller bases, since more can fit under the template?

      Definitely dodgy when people pull that sort of thing though.

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    2. No, because two inches between and they were small so it often lead to partials (which used to make a difference back then).

      And yes, he literally ensured they were all exactly two inches apart every time. It's like he was very familiar with how long two inches was.

      Hmm...

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    3. But when you have:
      A (2" gap) B (2" gap) C

      A will be further from C if B's base is larger.

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  5. When I first saw this thread I was hoping it was info on where hive guard fit into the FOC, still have a hunch they'll become a tyrant add on like the apoc entry suggests.

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  6. According to the book using the old base is perfectly acceptable. Some people are gamey I'm sure and model for an advantage, but I'm not going to pay to change my old broadsides just because the new ones are bigger. That said my old broadsides suck since they are railgun ones, and I do have to admit I changed my old metal chaos termies to the current base size but that's mostly because I thought they looked silly on the regular infantry base.

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    1. Yeah, it's awful to pay $3.99 to buy some cool new bases from any number of sites and be 100% compliant for an opponent...

      /sarcasm

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    2. What's so much cooler about the new bases? Why should someone have to spend $4 to carry on using their existing models?

      And, money aside, why should they have to break apart and assembled, based and painted model, then rebase it? A real p-I-t-a if, like me, you base before painting.

      Imagine the new tactical SMs had been larger, like 'true scale' conversions, and on 30mm bases. How would SM players feel, being told their whole army was now of dubious legality because it was too small?

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  7. I hope they get buffed if they are going to a new larger base size then, isn't 50mm standard monstrous creature? Think they'll get the same wounds and one or two wounds extra?

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    1. Standard MC base is 60mm. The 50mm bases are a new size - I think the Centurions were the first models released on that size base.

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  8. Tthought people might want to know this just turned up on the GW digital page:

    'Those found wanting shall not return.'

    - Encrypted message sent to Azrael, sealed in wax with archaic symbols of the Dark Angels and the Order

    Cipher or pos fallen supplement?

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  9. Not a problem for me its been a long while (3rd ed) since I played nids so my new ones havent got any hive/tyrant guard yet, although all my conversions are a tad larger than the standard to make my nids look scary as hell so 50mm bases isnt too bad, hopefully theyve been upgraded to coincide with the size increase!

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  10. Regarding base sizes, what are people's thoughts on Jetbike bases? The vast majority that I've seen seem to be on large skimmer bases and it seems that is the size most commonly used… but the Eldar Jetbikes I got from GW two months ago came with the smaller skimmer bases (i.e. same size as for Tau drones).

    I assume this is probably just because the Eldar jetbikes are still the decade old models, but when they're in a newly released (repackaged in this case, but still) box set they should still be the intended ones for game use right?

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    1. Yes. Whatever came with the model is acceptable for game play.

      Chances are Eldar will get new Jetbikes in the not-too-distant future.

      Once all the codices are released in hardback form, not only will tons of Supplements come, but so will updates to old models. This is to keep the edition going, and keep releases interesting for everybody. Like a steady drip of plastic crack for all.

      Think:

      Aspect Warriors
      Jetbikes
      Obliterators/Mutilators
      Legion squads that are old...

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    2. Old dark eldar jet bikes were the same. People received a mix of bases, either large or small flight bases, depending on time and boxes. Now new jet bikes all have smaller bases, and those ball sockets on top

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  11. Who thinks the Plastic Manz will be on 50mm bases?

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