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Bretonnia: Quietly Going Away?


Bretonnia models have been reported missing, in fact quite a few. This was sent in earlier today and by the time I was able to check on the GW site, Grail Knights were available again. It doesnt change the fact though that this armies status remains in question. Is Bretonnia going to be absorbed into another army book like the Black Templar were in 40k?


Please remember that this is rumor and conjecture. Mostly just looking at what is happening to this army.

via a Reader here on Faeit 212
over the past few months, GW has been quietly taking down models within the Bretonnian Army. At time of writing, their entire Rare section is now empty - including the Finecast Grail Knights (other no longer avalible Models include Questing Knights and various flavours of Lord - again, some of these include Finecast models). In fact, the army can no longer be legally fielded by new players due to the absence of the Battle Standard Bearer model (which as any Bretonnian player would know, having a BSB is a compulsory part of the army).

To me, it looks like GW is cleaning house. It could very much be clear signs that either the Army is going to get an update soon, or get the Squat treatment.

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  1. I'm not 100% sure what Nafka's checking to say that the Grail Knights are available again. Because right now, the entire Rare section is empty. Units listed are still missing.

    http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/MechaViv/media/BretonniaEvidence1_zpse86d3f02.png.html

    http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m609/MechaViv/BretonniaEvidence2_zps789cd9d1.png~original

    I'd photograph the Special Section as well, but it's too big to fit into a single photograph.

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    1. Since my Album is private, let me know if you are having difficulty checking these.

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    2. I have them on the US site. But our Lords and Heroes look the same.

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    3. And the Rare Section? Because I see no Grail Knights, and the options above still appear to be missing, Finecast or no.

      And there's no Collectors section for Bretonnia, unless they got rolled under another Army (Empire would be my best guess).

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    4. Like with Dark Elves before, at some site country selections few models are missing. Personally I know only one person in my environment who plays Bretonnia : )

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    5. And I'm the only person in my FLGS who is going to be playing Bretonnia.

      Still, there are missing models. On the US Site, anyone notice the Field Trebuchet has gone missing? And since Nafka has said the Lords & Heroes section looks the same as the UK one, I would also assume there's no BSB model there either.

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    6. Canadian site still has a couple of the missing units, though they all have:

      Availability:
      This product is expected to despatch within four weeks.

      instead of the ususal 24 hour claim...

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    7. @Drew - The best theory I have is that stocks are down to the last few in the Warehouse. Grab them while you can if there's anything that you're interested in.

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  2. Bretonnia army is a unique army to play and still competitive. There are many people just want to play Bretonnia and they play for years and years. This must be a joke!

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    1. It's no joke. I've linked Photographs in a comment above - there are, and have been missing items for a while now. I'm not sure how much differant other versions of GW sites are, but I'd expect the US one and others to follow quickly.

      On a side note, the Grail Knights are the most recent one to mysteriously vanish under these circumstances. I belive the BSB has been gone for a while longer. A shame really considering I'm trying to get into Bretonnia at the moment.

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    2. Ive got grail knights under the rare units tab for the US site. No BSB though.

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    3. @Moriar - Yes, Nafka showed me earlier. However, the Grail Knights are now missing from the UK store. I'd expect others to follow soon, if they haven't done so already. The only reason they're still up (I imagine) is that GeeDubs still has warehouses in the States that have Grail Knights in them.

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  3. Bretonnia is the oldest range in the WHFB line. I imagine they will get a massive, 2-month overhaul like the Dark Elves.

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    1. I hope so, I'm down for a bretonnian army when they get revised too. If gw uses slow sales to justify their removal when the army book i(and model range) s ten years old that's just messed up.

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  4. I( would also expect an overhaul. At the moment for me in the UK there is only 4 units in the Lords and Heros, nothing in rare and special looks a little sparse.

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    1. And let me guess - a blank Rare section, and a Special with some unit options removed?

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  5. I really hope so, I started WFB this year and picked Bretonnians as my first army!

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  6. Bretonninans being eaten by the Nids? Holy moy...

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  7. Hopefully new releases . . . otherwise all my money will feel a bit wasted, already lost loads of characters and rules i.e. Bertrand the Brigand, Suliman le saracen etc. I would hope that the army is too unique and ingrained as a separate force to be gotten rid of? At least with Black Templars the core of the army was basically SM's with any extras added by rules and SC's. - don't flame this BT players, I know, oversimplification!!

    Potentially a good opportunity to add these characters back in with some nice new sculpts :p

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  8. If bret really is dropped there is always the Unoffical WFB Armies project to fall back on - http://warhammerarmiesproject.blogspot.co.uk/

    It has; Bret, Kislev, Araby, Chaos Dwarf lists + other like Norse,Nippon and Amazons. Must …. resist…. urge to start.. nippon army...

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    1. Yeah I've been fighting the urge to do Araby, Nippon, Amazon and Norse armies since I got wind of these things and printed them out. Very professional looking job.

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    2. I played the Norse list and it is awesome, was even given permission to use it in a tourney given how balanced those lists are.

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  9. I'm pretty dismissive of folks chicken-littling GW, or saying that XX army is going to be given the Squat treatment or ignored into obsolescence (until recently I was looking at you, SoB), but I will be TRULY disappointed if they eliminate the Bretonnians. Enough to find another game system or not give them any of my money directly? Quite possibly...then again, I'm still of the mind that they'll give the force a major update soon!

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    1. Like the BT treatment?

      Most likely in my opinion.

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    3. Unfortunately, BTs were my 40K army of choice as well (now they're working with their Imperial Fists brothers). Unfortunately, Bretonnians don't fit in well with any other army book, including Empire, so I think it is either a reboot (which is what I'm leaning toward) or the Squat treatment...

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  10. So far, what missing this Friday morning: both Lords (Lance and Axe), BSB, Grail Relique and the Trebuchet

    I can see the Lords, getting the clampack treatment
    Grail Relique was never release in Finecast If I'm not mistaken
    Trebuchet should be a dual kit with a flame ball thrower
    Probably going to see a Questing/Grail Knights dual kit
    Maybe a Peasant new kit to include all the options (if the dont remove those options)
    Probably going to fit in a 1month release

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    1. The UK site is also missing the Hippogryph Lord. We're also missing the Trebuchet, but we can still get the Battle Pilgrims, oddly enough.

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    2. We're not expecting anything else from GW as a sort of Xmas surprise, are we? Like how a few months ago they released a boatload of previously metal models into Finecast and it wasn't part of their army update. Perhaps another wave of models are getting redone?

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  11. I cant phantom why a uk base company would throw away a bretonia type army. What is fantasy without its knights?

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    1. Well, the Bretons are french, so in some ways it would only make sense for a Briton to kill them off - in fact, a "Breton" is almost an ethnicity in France, similar to a Romany Gypsy or being British Irish.

      The Empire, despite all the German names is much more British (Elizabethan era) than the Brettonians are and is LOADED with knightly units.

      As a former Brettonian player, I'm delighted there is a good chance at a complete overhaul - most of the models are crap and are way, way past their prime. I'd personally replace everything, just like the Dark Elves have been over the last two releases.

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    2. While Bretons might be French, Bretonnia also has quite a lot of an Arthurian theme, which is pretty British.

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    3. Not to argue the toss about Arthurian legend, but a lot of the legends we have about Arthur are actually French as well as British. :P

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    4. This is true, and I have heard mentioned about Arthurian legends being linked to the Scots too, However there is a few other things, such as Longbows and Yeoman that were distinctly English and besides Medieval France and Medieval England is pretty interchangeable.

      I can't really see how they would be rolled up into say the Empire because they are so different to everything else, I have seen them jotted down next to Wood Elves on several rumor lists for 2014 so hopefully they'll get an update, but then rumors are rumors

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    5. what christine means is that the "arthurian legends" as they are commonly known we're popularised by the french romantic novels of the 12 and 13th century, but they are based in britain

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  12. Hey Natfka. I was In my local GW Shop Wednesday and was talking shop with the manager. As we walked over to the Bretonians s he told me He got an Email saying that GW isn't restocking his store with ANY Bretonnia.

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    1. I can confirm this. My FLGS was told by GW that, when asked about specific Bret kits, they are not producing them anymore. Everyone hope for an update, otherwise Brets are in trouble.

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    2. Agreed. I adore the Knight models.

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  13. Its gotta be a reboot, They are still selling the book and even a paint collection, that would be a dick move to sell people the rule book(atleast at full price) for a army they currently phasing out. Please don;t let it be true.

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  14. I don't think you could fold them into another army book as with Black Templars. Black Templars are, when all's said and done, Space Marines. You could easily fold in DA and BA without any *real* harm to them, they only really exist as different entities because of popularity I think. Bretonnia is too distinct from the other forces, and my experience at least has been that there is a solid and enthusiastic fanbase. I would guess and indeed hope that this represents, as others have said, a prelude to a seriously considered revamp.

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  15. I swear I see these posts and I feel like they do less to inform the public and more to get the public worked up into a frenzy of conjecture.

    Traditionally, Bretonnia is not a poor selling army. Its gone into disfavor in recent years but in the late 90's and into the mid 2000's it was the army to collect if you wanted to win a painting award at a tournament or in a store. They are much beloved by that 12-15 year old demographic that GW targets. I'd be astounded if the Bretonnians went ANYWHERE other than back on the shelves.

    They have gone into disfavor because of their lack of an update, but this is likely been pushed back because they need a model range and rules overhaul like the Dark Elves just got. They have always been different enough from the Empire to warrant their own book and based upon fan support and sales from when I worked for GW they were never a piss poor seller like Sisters of Battle. They were beloved and a consistent seller. This rumor just seems ridiculous to me.

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    1. I really hope you are right and that they just get overhauled. My initial foray into Fantasy territory has been with Brettonians, but before i assembled a large force, i realized the lack of variety bothered me.

      I love the Knights/crusaders theme they have going, but i feel they could easily expand this army with an update to make it much more interesting and versatile. I'd really like to see some dismounted knights infantry units those would be really cool. I think more Knights on foot would really add a lot more choice for the army, having them be abel to be equipped with anything from swords and shields, to morning stars, halberds, pikes, or even axes and shields. So much can be done with such a simple unit idea. much better to me than having peasants be the infantry backbone of the army.

      I want the range to expand before i dive in proper with this army and I'd be extremely disappointed if it just went away. Although, considering that GW hasn't yet converted SoB to be a Forge World "collectors army" at this point, i am hopeful that Brettonians are still here to stay.

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    2. I'd be surprised if they did knights on foot. Bretonnia has a clearly defined class system putting Knights loftily above the peasants, and all Knights remaining on horseback reinforces this theme - its one of the things that differentiates them from the Empire. I'm not sure what they'll do with them, but I doubt that will be it.If anything I'd expect the new options to reinforce the socio-economic disparity, not "bring them down to their level",

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  16. Hope the questing knights are still there. Models are still alright, though finecast, and their musician has a lute. No other musician has a string instrument.

    The army is too distinct, has too great a loyal fan base, and has enough significance to warrant occasional mention in fluff. Much like sisters. Neither are going away soon methinks.

    If they want to squat armies, do so to tau and wood elves. Those two groups are restricted to their own sectors or land/space for technical reasons, and generally do not affect the greater world or galaxy as a whole. Hell, the hrud have been a greater menace to the imperium than the tau

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    1. Questing Knights are not on the site anymore, unfortunately. I don't know if it's the same for the US version, but I do know they are no longer available on the UK site.

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  17. GW wouldn't scrap them as the Arthurian myth sits so well in a fantasy context. All they need to do is some blantant Song of Ice and Fire tie ins and its a winner.

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  18. This seems like a ridiculous rumor.

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  19. I echo the above hope that the army sticks around - I would certainly like to paint some Bretonnian knights at some point. But...nearly all of the remaining models in the online store are showing Availability: This product is expected to despatch within (x number of) weeks.

    These long despatch times before quietly disappearing off the site is what Specialist Games went through before they reached the state they're in now. I'm trying to remain optimistic though.

    Anyone know if Dark Elves went through this before their overhaul?

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  20. Not to rain on anyone's parade (including my own), but I just got this reply from GW customer service where I expressed my concern over Bretonnia's future. Nothing definitive, but not exactly reassuring, either:

    "Hey there,

    Thanks for writing in to us, although I don’t have great news for you. While the Bretonnians will no doubt get an update of their codex and miniatures at some point in the future, at this time we don’t know when this will be. However, please keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about and their time will come one day!

    Sorry we couldn’t be any more help than this."

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    1. "...please keep the faith..."

      Well, I already pray every game that my knights survive artillery and monsters so this is nothing new.

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    2. @Matthew Smyth - Who doesn't start the game with Blessing of the Lady? X3

      @BlueLabelDrinker - Well, it's at least somewhat hopeful...

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    3. Those stinky peasant armies that spam 10 man archer units, as many trebuchets allowed, and one 5 man KotR unit with no command that sits as a Ld 8 bubble for the archers and provide an escort for the minimal BSB. Those armies need first turn.

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  21. The REAL question I would like to see answered is:
    "When Bretonnia gets it's redo, will the Hyppogryph kit be a roid-raging monster like the Empire's Griffon?"

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  22. Not wanting to sound all doom and gloom, but if FB really moves the timeline forward (as has been rumoured) in the next edition, that would be exactly the time to have the Bretonnians eaten by the Skaven and/or annexed by the Empire if ever.

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    More likely reason is that they are simply running out of models. Even though it's half a year after panic buying made Specialist Games well and truly extinct, people still seem to have hard time believing that GW does not actually produce metals anymore (and didn't for a good while now). And if any of the last half year's releases are to believe, GW does not even want to commission anything in Finecast either anymore. Moving production under the Forgeworld label and offering resin models that way is not going to happen before the launching of the new webstore that (supposedly) has both Forgeworld and GW labeled kits in the same user interface.

    I would even go as far and say that 9th edition got bumped to 2015 in order to get Bretonnians to fit in 2014. The amount of plastic both them (and Wood Elves) need to replace the metal/Finecast is so huge they are going to need a two-month release. However, it's a balancing act between selling as much as possible of the old stock away and causing people to lose interest in an army with no models, so I wouldn't be surprised if for example Dwarves were pushed back to make way for Brets or Welfs (considering Welfs were written back-to-back with Helfs and Delfs). Especially so since there have been next to no Dwarf rumours even though they are supposed to come immediatly after 'Nids.

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  23. the Fantasy buildings (chapel and watchtower) as well as other fantasy terrain like fences are missing too...

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    1. A lot of terrain has been disappearing of late, especially fantasy

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    2. Well obviously all terrain will simply be removed from the game in the next edition...

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    3. Terrain is pretty pointless in a game that now requires units to be 10 models wide, anyway. I used to use a fair amount of scenery in Fantasy, but if I did the same now, you wouldn't even be able to move some of the "new" big units.

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  25. 1. Anyone with a basic knowledge about history can clearly see that bretonnia is based on french knigths.
    2. Gw is a company... companies work on budgets whichs control how much money they spend.... no company are making large investments late in the year... so it is natural to believe that most of these models may return in the beginning of next year with fresh budget.
    3. Gw got central storage for europe, usa and so on... so gw pages for all european countries will reflect what is in stock at their european storage.... while usa site willl reflect their us storage. Fantasy anf possibly bretonnia is less popular in the us which migth be the reason more models are still stock on the us site.

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  26. Guys, as nick baran said above, this isn't even a rumor- someone who wanted bretonians saw the models were not available on the site and screamed the sky is falling.

    Anyone who has been in this hobby for any amount of time can attest to this being common practice for aarmies that are being updated, or molds being redone. This isn't newsworthy, bretonians aren't going anywhere, we can all settle down.

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    1. Sorry, Nick - but this happened to Chaos Dwarfs AND Squats before they were totally killed off, too.

      The way the Bretons have gone, with barely an update in over a DECADE screams to me what happened with the SoB. I could foresee a future where Bretons are the first in a long line of digital only army books for Fantasy.

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  27. I knew this day was coming the day I they took away the Bretonnian Lord model from the site. Wouldn't mind them being rereleased though it looks painfully clear that this isn't going to happen. There is so much they could have done with the army what with the influx of monstrous creatures being present in most updated armies. Perhaps even change the lore to allow dragons to be taken as well as more monstrous mounts could generate more interest in them but alas I don't foresee this happening.

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