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Leaked White Dwarf Exclusive: The Forgotten Knight


A new leaked image reveals the rules for a White Dwarf Exclusive data sheet; The Forgotten Knight, Gerantius. This Freeknight has apparently joined in to battle the Red Waaagh. Of course more details will be available as we get a hold of this weekend's White Dwarf. 

The source of the image apparently comes from MyWargame.com, but can be seen by following the link 

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  1. At 500 points, 'forgotten' is where he's most likely to remain

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    1. BS5, WS5, IWND 3++ Shoot and Run? For only 30 points above a normal Knight? I'm never not taking him when I would have taken an Errant.

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  2. I like it. 3 knights at 1500 points with this right? Might be some points left

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    1. There's only one "Gerantius" in the galaxy - you can only take one. (",)

      Just like you can't have two Lysander's, Abbadon's, Coteaz, etc.

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    2. I meant 2 knights and gerantius. A 3 knight army with gerantius comes to 1250 points, might have to take a fortification or something :D

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    3. course if you're running knights as a primary detachment just run em normal, your warlord basicly gets the stat boosts Gerantius gets for free

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    4. I could run 4 and get a warlord and this guy with these stats. Might have to rethink my purchases hehe

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    5. 'Cept the 3++ is randomised dice roll...

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    6. There is also a Formation in the samctus reach book that gives a reroll on the inv.
      So 3++ reroll
      And reroll charge & gain outflank.

      Nice indeed.
      Looks like knights got a major push

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  3. Soo, since you can just roll for him to be a Knight Senechal anyway, you are paying 130 points for....re-rolling 1's on a stomp plus shoot and run? Yeah, no thanks.

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    1. 3+ invulnerable in one direction ad well... but yeah, pass.

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    2. He also has It Will Not Die, which could prove very useful. Still probably not worth 130 points, but definitely better.

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    3. I thought you can only roll for the Knight upgrades if you field a whole army (so 3+)of them?

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    4. @Sethdr
      nah m8, you can roll on the table even if you field only one. It is up to you.

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    5. allied IK detachments don't get rank rule ... only if the imperial knights are from a primary detach

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    7. @aracersss
      "allied IK detachments don't get rank rule" what ?! That's not written anyware in the IK codex.

      Under the heading of "Knightly Ranks" there's clearly written, that you can use the ranks if you wish. Nothing is written there that you can not roll on the table when they are not primary.

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    8. You can't use knightly ranks in a household detachment (allied detachment) only in an imperial knight army. The two sections are different in the codex. The FAQ made a couple of changes to the imperial knight army section but I can't remember them exactly right now.

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    9. Interesting, but no proof mate. I've read through the complete section, and there is nothing backing up aracersss or your claim.

      Thanks for pointing to the FAQ. It makes the matter even simpler, as it replaces all the talk about primary and allied (which is the same, except that you could put 6 knights in your primary) with Imperial Knight detachment (only one now) which may consist of 1 to 3 Knights.

      And there is nowhere in the book under fielding an imperial knight army, or in the FAQ anything that says that only your primary detachment can have ranks. Your warlord automatically gets the rank of seneshal, but this has been changed by the FAQ too.

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    10. The datasheet says he doesn't get a rank, he just "is".

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  4. Those are... Just awful rules.

    Wow.

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    1. You have no idea what you are talking about Thomas (as usual).

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    2. No, awful. Shooting and running is pointless outside of apocalypse since you can move 12" and fire 36" anyway. BS5 reduces your scatter by all of one inch and only has a substantial impact on (pffft) the Heavy Stubber.

      WS5 is nice but not worth those points at all, ditto for ++3 on one side (especially since any smart player will place multiple threats around the Knight).

      The buff to stomps is okay against big hordes but it's a very situational rule.

      It's not worth an extra 130pts and it's certainly not worth spending a quarter of a large army's points allowance on it. For 500pts, you could fill 2 drop pods with melta Sternguard and pop that thing in a turn.

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    3. Oh, and (for completeness) IWND is okay. Again, not worth the points.

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    4. How polite, McDoogle. Someone's mummy forget to put sugar in his Wheetabix?

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    5. A hard man to please...

      And pray tell, what would you have done to upgrade him for those points to make him "fieldable" in your opinion?

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    6. Not hard to please, just someone who doesn't mind thinking critically about rules instead of holding a constant positivity parade.

      I would have taken all these upgrades and taken 50pts off the cost.

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    7. Yeah... You got 36'' range on weapon, but 18'' to use all bonuses 'melta' rule. So this run is quite crucial.
      Also You can run and shoot , so in next Turn You are closer to assault or objective.
      You really know nothing;)

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    8. So a 30" effective range on your Thermal Cannon isn't far enough? I guess you just wouldn't use Vindicators then?

      And this where I'd argue a MASSIVELY subjective point but I don't believe Errants should be used for objective holding, working best as long-mid range tank-busters (in my experience). As far as getting you closer to assault, yeah it does. It also leaves you within range of enemy melta weapons and unable to assault on the turn you do it.

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    9. Also, who cares? Its a cool little addition to the game, if you don't think he's as effective for his points as a regular Knight, use the regular Knight and get on with your life, or write your own datasheet to use with your friends, what does moaning about it achieve?

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    10. Also, I think you're massively underestimating the effectiveness of IWND and a 3++ together on a Super Heavy.

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    11. He is also a way of including essentially a second guaranteed Seneschall in a Knight Army. That means in 1500 you could have 3 knights, 2 of them with WS/BS5 and a 3++. That's a bigger advantage I think than you perhaps realise. I'll definitely be getting another knight to add to my existing 3. With a Lancer as my Seneschall and Gerantius as well, I'll be well set!

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    12. @Phil Millar,
      mate, stop taking this too serious. You find him awesome and don't shy away from telling us your opinion multiple times, which is completely fine! But let other people have their opinion on him, and grant the same right you use yourself. They think he sucks (or better put, that he is not worth the points), that's completely ok, they won't be using them. You like him, you can use him and have your games with him.

      No one is saying that adding stuff to 40k is dumb idea. I respect your opinion and don't judge you for it, and I'm hoping to motivate you to pay less attention to the negative opinion about him. Ignore them mate, they just pull you down. Rather look ahead at the games when you are fielding him

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    13. @thomas
      Youre mathhammer is wrong. With 3++ you only just kill him with 20 melta shots.
      And 500pts dont buy you 20 Kombi melta + 2 pods.

      If there is Terrain or other units you cant Deepstrike next to him.

      Also he can reserv the knight.

      Ontop there is a formation that gives you a reroll on the ion-shield

      Its a solid option for anyone who has a knight or several.
      It might even be broken!

      Unlike kombimeltas its not a coinflipp unit.

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  5. Forgotten knight is a title reserved for bretonnians.

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    1. Except that more people probably own Imperial Knights than Bretonnians anymore.

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    2. besides this could be a referance to the Bretonnnians for all we know, god knows 40k and fantasy referance each other in other cases

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  6. This is a way for people to take the commander knight without the rest of the platoon (i forgot what their ranks are).

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  7. He also has strikedown. Will that apply to his shooting attacks?

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    1. No, it would have to be on his weapons. Just like if a model had fleshbane, it's only CC attacks.

      And strike down does, literally, nothing for knights now. Just like Blind.... vertical hieght of blasts and so on...

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  8. He's a character, are all knights? Hello challenge....

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    1. not all knights are, but if you take a knight as your warlord the warlord is

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  9. I think this guy looks amazing. He has 5 WS and BS, a better save, better stomp rules, and It Will Not Die. The Striker rule is also pretty cool. Super fluffy. Is he expensive? Yeah, but with that suite of rules I'm not surprised. Between the Obsidian Knight and Gerantius, I think it's pretty cool that they're getting named characters. I doubt many people will take it, but that's totally appropriate. :D

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    1. I think that it is a great idea to make those dataslates.

      The rules for him are a very nice buff from the normal knight. But a 50 point would have been more appropriate. It is still only one model, with buffed rules over the standard ones. He's not doing more than any other knight would, as his role stays the same, he's just better at doing it.

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    2. 50 points would have been busted. This is still good without being a "everybody has to take one."

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    3. The Obsidian Knight got his own rules? I missed that - where are they?

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    4. Think i remember seeing a sheet for him in the Damocles Warzone book. I don't recall it saying one way or another whether he could be used in regular 40k or only in apocalypse though.

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    5. why :"50 points would have been busted" ?

      He hits most things on 3s, instead of on 4s, his 5" scatters 1" less. He has a 5+ chance of getting a lost hullpoint back. His invul is 3+. That's possible with a standard knight too, only one out of six, but hey, I managed to roll a 1 the last time I used that table :)

      So yes, I think 50 points for the small benefits is about right.

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    6. Rixus, they're in Domocles as Blaze suggested. I don't know about 40k vs. Apoc either. Good question.

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    7. Cheers guys.I'll be sure to check it out - there's a friend of mine i play quite often at my club who has a sizable Tau army...

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  10. Really hope they add more unique knights. Even better would be a template to make your own unique knight and rules.

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  11. And now I have a reason to buy a third Knight model. Been waiting for him to get rules for a while

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  12. I really don't see what people are complaining with, they've made a cool little dataslate to give him a bit more character, the game isn't always about point efficiency and competitive effectiveness you know!

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    1. That may not be the case for you, and i'm happy for you and respect your opinion. For many people, i'm afraid you'll find, it is.

      Some people just collect models for the fun of having cool models, and that's one aspect of the hobby.

      Some people play the game, and rules and points efficiency is somewhat of "a deal". When you build an army with lots of options available you want to make sure you're not wasting any points and get the best value for points vs effectiveness. Some people like to win - and some people want to increase their chances of winning using the best tools legally available to them.

      I wouldn't tell someone they're wrong because they don't see it my way.

      Different strokes for different folks, and each to their own i say. (",)

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  15. Compare to the Obsidian Knight and weep:
    BS/WS+2, Rage, Preferred Enemy and Outflank for +25pts to a normal Paladin
    As opposed to:
    BS/WS+1, IWND, Battle Focus and a buffed Stomp for +130pts over a normal Errant.
    That being said, you could run both and a Household Spearhead for a total of three Seneschals.
    (Yes, yes, I know, Apoc rules, but still...)

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  16. Would've been nice to have all these individual Freeblades in the content-lite Knight book.....

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    1. S9 with large blast and melta By a range of 24 inch

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