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Wolf Lord Options Include a Chariot


Described as a Landsled, or Chariot, it looks like Space Wolves will be getting a Wolf sled as an option for Logan Grimnar and any Wolf Lords. I will be interested to see the direction the models take of these Landsleds pulled by Thunderwolves.


Please remember that these are still rumors. This bit comes from a good source.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Yes next week is Logan pre-orders.
He is indeed on a chariot.
The chariot is an option for any Wolf Lord, but not Wolf Guard Battle Leaders.

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  1. I suppose it's cool that there will be more chariots in the game. Previously a fairly underrepresented unit type in 40k.

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    1. Why?
      Chariots are not very far futur!
      They could make a lot of units chariot. But IMO jetbikes and skimmers are enough.

      Think about this.
      Traditional chariots are somewhat slow. Try hitting something in CC when driveing in a fast car. You wont Hit or you will break youre arm if you do.
      Its not very logic to have chariots in the future.
      They used to be the Tanks of their Time. But we have Tanks in 40k.
      I dont see why someone would step on a chariot if he could roll over enemys with a tank.

      I think they should support some Armys with plastic SHs & GCs. I think thats more needed for game balance. Caus some Armys dont have banblades and stompas.

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    2. Yes, because swords, daemons, sorcery and armies of (basically) medieval knights on steroids really mark out 40k as a "far future" setting...

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    3. At least it's better than the old rumored grot jet scooters

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    4. Trying to sort out the chariot rules in sixth is a major reason I quit Necrons. I loved the command barge. It was so unbearable to go through the rules discussions, even in a friendly game, I stopped using them.

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    5. @seb12: It's not logical to have swords when there are space ships that can destroy planets either, but here we are. It's the rule of cool.

      Also, some armies may not have Baneblades, Imperial Knights, or Stompas, but technically everyone can field them. Also, those kits are less likely to turn a profit via volume than more common core units, so GW has to weigh the risk on every one of them. Baneblades and IK's are Imperial (and Chaos), and thus will be used by a huge majority of players. Stompas are ramshackle, and thus work a thousand ways for Orks - perhaps the most commonly collected and converted Xenos in table top gaming.

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    6. Seb.... Here you go again man! Just give it a rest with the complaining please !

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    7. Well for daemons it makes sense, as daemons in tanks would look stupid. For necrons it also makes sense, s their chariot is basically one man attack platform... For wolves could make sense as well as they do ride on wolves as their cavalry anyways...

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    8. "Chariots are slow"
      That is a relative term. War Chariots of Ancient times was some of the fastest combat systems available. Often used to shoot the enemy, or go in close to slash the enemy with blades attached to the chariot. Which is how I imagine the Necrons and Daemons use theirs today.
      Just as Space Marine bikers don't park their bikes and punch from the seat, that is just how it looks on the table top, on the battlefield they will be doing drive by attacks... much like a chariot!

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    9. Most likely this is a play on Odin and his Chariot (which was pulled by Goats if memory serves!) Will be interested to see how GW execute it as this could look spectacularly dumb....

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    10. Yeah I just hope the rules are clear, unlike the necron CCB.

      Also a cool looking model is important. GW could really screw this up, have you seen the khorne chariot?

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    11. Yes Seb. Because everything else in 40k makes so much sense. It's the year 2014 and we have the ability to kill people from thousands of miles away sitting in an air-conditioned room by using a drone. It's ridiculous to think that there would be any need for roided-up marines wearing a suit of armor 38,000 years from now rather than just doing precision strikes from a space ship in orbit. But that's not cool. Swords and daemons and spells and chariots are cool. Badass dudes who take their helmets off in the middle of a warzone are cool. Doesn't matter that they don't make any sense.

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    12. @DiabolicalAl Odin rides an eight legged horse named Sleipnir. Thor is the God who rides in a chariot pulled by two goats.

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  2. hopefully the kit will have options to build logan as a normal wolf lord too, although i suppose you could use spare parts from the other kits, assuming theyre interchangeable enough

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    1. Most new Fantasy kit has allowed you to assemble the lord on foot if you choose not to use him.
      Same happened to Necrons, so I would think it could happen.

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    2. oh yeah, ive no doubt youll be able to have him on foot. i was just wondering if theyd include parts to build him as a standard wolf lord

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    3. In regards to modeling, I hope the Wolves are dynamic. It would be nice to take those to add variety to ThunderWolf Cavalry. Five different Wolf sculpts (barring Canis, his Wolf has a weird squirrel look to it for me) would look really cool.

      If the rules are good as well, you can always just chop the bejesus out of a Rhino and use the Chariot rules as well. Just saying; if something looks stupid to somebody, modeling is a thing, you can always change how it looks to make it fit your style better.

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  3. This probably means every army or most will get a chariot as well.

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    1. Um, no. If that was the case every army would have one, as we are almost full circle with codex updates.

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    2. i could easily see them shoehorning "chariots" into most armies as they get updated to 7th. of course Orks didnt get one, and i dont see nids getting one either, but dark eldar i would say could be a good candidate for sure, and possibly some kind of chariot for tau etherals too.

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    3. nids could get one [read as transport bug] though probably won't but would be cool if they did

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    4. Ooh, a Dark Eldar chariot would be boss. I want one!!

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    5. A chariot might actually fit Dark Eldar well. Change Asdrubael Vect's Dais of Destruction from his custom Raider to a sweet Chariot with 13 all around armor. Now that would be awesome.

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  4. *awful joke about Santa*

    HURR DURR, FUNNEH.

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    1. Oh, I see it, a miniature sleigh, pulled by eight tiny reindeer, except in this case it is a big ass landsled pulled by eight bloodthirsty wolf mutants on steroids, tethered to their master's hand by the still pulsating entrails of their last little space-elf victim... .

      Feels "Christmas-y" already.

      Though, I do hope the model is as vivid as my description.

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    2. buy some new wood elf stags and paint logan red and bam 40k santa

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  5. God that sounds dumb. Didn't think you could get stupider than space marines riding giant wolves, but... well, here we are.

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    1. This is a setting with lizard-footed, crab-handed, pink-skinned daemon ladies. And BDSM, drug-addicted elf pirates in space. And walking war-machines bigger than cities with guns that can blow up planets.

      Wolf chariots are tame.

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    2. All the things you mentionned are far, FAR less ridiculous within context than a wolf-sled.

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    3. Please, explain to me how they are? There's plenty of "context" (read: convenient plot armour) to explain Thunderwolves and a Wolf chariot too. The Wolves are hardly ordinary Terran creatures (there are no wolves on Fenris, after all) and harnessing them to a sled makes sense in a comparatively low-tech chapter like the Wolves who remain tied to their primitive Fenrisian culture.

      Why is that context stupid, yet the justification for daemon crab women (WARP DID IT!) is okay?

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    4. In a context where the Wolves have access to Land Speeder technology (able to carry TWO fully-armoured Marines), a wolf-pulled sled is pants-on-head retarded. I can't make the argument simpler or clearer.

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    5. See statement about primitive nature of Space Wolves.

      Also, to extened the logic of your argument, in a world where long-range weaponry is just as abundant as it is now, melee combat with swords and axes would also be considered "pants-on-head retarded."

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    6. Desc440: Your argument is so illogical. Yes, in a discussion about a sci-fi/fantasy table top game, your argument is illogical. You aren't giving any explanations, reasonable or otherwise, as to why you're making glib comments. You're just ranting to be a part of the "hate GW" group-think that everyone thinks is cool.

      Have you considered there's a limited number of Land Speeders? Furthermore, why use Land Speeders when they have super armored flying transports like Thunderhawks? Heck, why use Thunderhawks when there are Battle Cruisers the size of a small country? PANTS-ON-HEAD RETARDED!

      You also didn't give a single response to why crab-fisted demon women is somehow logical in a world with guns. Why does Khorne use dogs when they have demons toting magical blades that pass through anything? Why do Orks need Squiggoths when they have tanks every bit as big and tough as the Imperium? Why do Tau need Kroot anymore when they have some of the most advanced tech in the galaxy?

      Cool factor. Options. Variety.

      All makes sense.

      Go be angry in your mom's basement some more. Just don't forget to turn your head to breath at night.

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    7. Acually a Wolf Sled makes more sense than a wolf mount.
      Even if we had horse sized dogs/wolves irl they would make terrible mounts due to the way they move when running (lots of back sway)
      But we already have dog sledding irl today, which is a far superior means of transport during the winter to a horse.

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    8. Plus dog meat tastes way better than horse if you get really stuck in the snow.

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    9. Yeah, no one has been able to answer why on gaunts ghosts the imperium spends months having a look around a chaos world and after losing millions of men decide to just take off and nuke the place from orbit. To my mind it's the only way to be sure and would have cost a hell of a lost less. The imperial guard are full retard according to the books, why should any other army be any less. Jesus it is a game just enjoy the retard and embrace your full retard potential.

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    10. Oh and the actual reason is probably a nurse one being as fenris is the son of Loki who will devour doin at ragnarok and the valkyr rode wolves to battle and land sleds pulled by dogs were a common thing around Norway and Iceland. And for a logical reason why you would use a sled in an inhospitable world like fenris then look at Robert Falcon Scotts lost race against a Norwegian chap (Amundsen?) who didn't use machinery instead claiming all you need is dogs dogs dogs.

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    11. McD you always make a reasoned, well-argued point. But then you tend to ruin it with a nasty little bitch slap. You are obviously a GW employee based on how strongly you defend the company. You'd probably be a lot more successful in leaving people with a positive image of the company if you weren't so full of bile. This is a lighthearted hobby forum here, where people come to shoot the shit outside work. I don't think anyone wants to be personally insulted. Sort it out, please.

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    12. 100% agree with Desc440. Both are complete crap ideas. I'm not a fan of the direction GW is taking on this. Good thing FW is around to offer a less corny alternative.

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    13. Agreed jigoo76. I've played Space Wolves since their 2e codex but thunderwolf cavalry, the recent flyer, "murderfang", and now sleds mean that GW have taken what I liked and made it so cheesy IMO. I'll pretend a lot of this doesn't exist : )

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    14. Just play 30k. It's 40k for grown ups.

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    15. @Thomas: The SW are issued from a primitive culture, but tech-wise, they are as well-equipped as any other SM Chapter.

      As far as guns vs. swords go, in a context where there are aliens who excell at stabbing you ('Nids) and chopping you (Orks) to death, being prepared by having your own sword or axe probably makes a lot of sense.

      @McDoogle: And you need to get your tongue out of GW's crevasse. Not everything they design is great; pointing it out doesn't mean I find everything they design to be abysmal.

      As to your points:
      -If they don't have spare Land Speeders, they still have these wondrous things calles BIKES with which to ferry their glorious leaders across the battlefield with. Failing that, a JUMP PACK is also a possibility.
      -A T-hawk is a great tool, but it is vulnerable to getting shot down. And a Battlecruiser can flatten a city but it can't capture it. It's all about using the right tool for the right job.
      -Crab-fisted daemon women makes sense because Warp. Same thing for Khorne dogs. The Warp answers to its own illogical logic.
      -Orks will take anything they can get their hands on and strap guns to it. Squiggoth makes sense in that context.
      -Kroot perform tasks that Tau are ill suited for. They make sense in that context too.

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    16. modern warfare is generally about utility, but an army like the space wolves are built a lot more around pride and honour, and creating a magnificent barge for their leader seems to make sense to me.

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    17. SM do have access to magnificient barges for their leaders: they're called Land Raiders.

      I understand what you are saying but the line between "ostentatious" and "over the top" has been crossed for me.

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    18. thing is, how well can you survey the battlefield from inside a land raider? or give orders to your troops? tbf i dont know the details of a land raider's interior, but i doubt its stocked with monitors showing whats going on outside from all angles

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    19. The simplest counter I would put forward as to why they don't use Landspeeders, Jump Packs, or Bikes for these Wolf Lords is simple. They are (probably) wearing Terminator armour, so can't ride in/on or use any of the above things. I wouldn't immediately jump from that to "sled pulled by giant wolves", but maybe if I was in a chapter of drunken vikings who loved giant wolves and already rode them into battle I might be more inclined to.

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    20. I have to admit im not keen on the sled idea. I found it hard to swollow the Thunderwolf Cavalry idea in the last dex but it did grow on me. But this I cant sink my fangs into. Pun intended lol.

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    21. http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.com/2014/07/rumores-nuevas-imagenes-y-rumores-sobre.html?m=1

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  6. I will be redacting this from my codex along with thunderwolves. Terrible ideas in my opinion, but each to their own.

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    1. I'm with ya. I refused to acknowledge the thunderwolves' presence in the last book and I'll do the same with father Logan's sleigh. Heck, you can throw the freeze ray powered by a mystic crystal on to the list of derp ideas I'll pretend don't exist too.

      The last book was filled with really appropriate additions. Lone wolves, wolf guard, sagas...I'm yet to see anything in this dex that generates the same sort of excitement for me.

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    2. Thats cool. Games Workshop will just redact you and anyone who thinks like you from the audience of people they aim the Space Wolves towards. They'll just pretend you don't exist. To each their own right?

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    3. The Wolf Guard weren't an addition. They've existed in some form since the Wolves' started. Sagas were just an advanced preview of Warlord Traits. The Lone Wolf was...a play on Chuck Norris (who I'm sorry, isn't cool at all).

      You can refuse to acknowledge whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact it's there, and it exists, and someone will kick your ass in a tournament with it. Won't stop it from selling. In fact, the opinions of the negative ninnies like you will have no affect on the game whatsoever.

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    4. Of course. Games workshop will do what they're supposed to do and chase profits by releasing big new unique kits. Lore and game play are subservient to the almighty dollar, as it should be for a company beholden to shareholders.

      I'm under no illusions: discerning customers will always be secondary to those who eat up these new toys. I don't begrudge them or people who enjoy these new releases; I'm simply trying to enjoy the universe that I fell in love with, and if I have to ignore some new additions I don't see why that's anyone's business but my own :)

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    5. Dear Lord, hear my prayer.

      I would just like to read one rumor, one update, one juicy tidbit or post where the weird little kids who hang out in their parents' basements because they are allergic to sunlight and grass pollen don't arrive in force to shit all over it in their efforts to prove who hates GW more in their sniveling Lord of the Flies pecking order,,,

      Please lord give me one, one without someone accusing GW or robbery or usury, or profit mongering because after all they are a business -which means they should give all their products away,

      Just one where someone doesn't rage quit or mention that Warmahordes are "so much better."

      Just one where no one in the comments section alludes to the "realism" of a fucking fantasy/sic-fi-futuristic game set 40,000 years into the future or back in the fantastic past.

      Just one.

      Maybe you can send it with Santa on his big ass landsled pulled by those massively awesome thunderwolves hyped up on steroids and elf meat...

      Maybe...

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    6. I suspect that if your God was real he would tell you to avoid reading other people's opinions, because it clearly upsets you to see any that run contradictory to your own. And I'm going to do you the courtesy of assuming your opinions are in fact your own, rather than lumping you in with the rabid, vapid, coolaid drinking fan boys. Stereotypes such as that - and the one of the basement nerd that you deployed - only serve to stifle a proper discussion. I understand that it's much easier to argue with the fictional basement dweller in your head than engage with a fully realised person, though.

      My own objections have nothing to do with realism and everything to do with consistency. But as I said earlier, consistency of universe isn't achievable in a game that has to constantly evolve to continue to generate profits. By the way, profiteering isn't an insult. It's what businesses do, and gw is a business, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. New units have to be created, creative vision has to be adjusted, in the name of profits. It then falls to fans to decide how best to preserve creative integrity.

      I have to admit, I'm not sure why you decided to share your cutting wit in this comment chain. Neither the initial comment I replied to, nor the comment I made, called for any changes to be made and were not particularly aggressive. . We simply said that we would do our best to pretend such a unit doesn't exist because it doesn't jive with us.

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    7. +2 I'm sick of this forum turning into a place where people get bashed for saying anything even moderately critical. Valid reasons for disagreement are enough without having to accuse people of being neck beards.

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    8. This is exactly it. I don't care if someone else thinks it's great, the chariot/thuderwolves are not for me. It's a personal thing is all. I love the hardened, borderline mutant, alpha predator hunters in Prospero Burns and the above two units don't fly with that for me. I am a modeller and painter first and my edgy wolves would not work as an art project with these units either so these are my two main reasons for avoiding those units in my army.

      The new flyer however - I'm getting three! :)

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    9. @Milk Steak
      "if I have to ignore some new additions I don't see why that's anyone's business but my own :)"

      You're absolutely right, it isn't.

      Until you go to a public forum and seek validation of your ideas from your peers.

      If you don't want to have to defend your stance on something, don't post it on a public forum in the hope of getting consent from other like-minded people.
      Because someone will object to some things you say, like McDoogle.

      (This isn't a place for circle-jerk. (Amirite?) )

      And when you respond by telling the world that the sole reason that GW are releasing this new model is chasing money and suggesting that those people who do like it (and other new toys that don't conform to your arbitrary view of 'purist 40k') are not "discerning customers" like you is very egotistical and elitist. I would argue inflammatory and an attempt to elicit the type of response you received from Hu Jin Tau, although admittedly his was somewhat unorthodox.

      Personally, I don't care either way for the sledge or the space wolves in general, but the addition of a new wolf themed toy in a series of wolf themed toys doesn't strike me as being something completely unreasonable. There is certainly a logical progression from "Super humans with super wolves" to "Super humans using super wolves as transport and Super Humans tethering a sledge to a bunch of wolves for faster transport".
      But I guess I'm not "discerning" enough.

      TL;DR: Don't complain about people criticising your opinion on a public forum, then insult those who disagree with you by suggesting you are somehow superior to them.

      [Note: that "Amirite?" was intended to be ironic]

      Wow, I spent far too long on that reply.

      Love and hugs.

      :)

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    10. Evidently a lot of people think some units GW produces (like an anti-gravity platform being towed by wolves) does not fit into their grim-dark background.

      Are they any less entitled to voice that opinion, than someone who has the opposite view, in a comment on this website?

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    11. Round 4......Fight!.....this same argument? ground hog day for alzhiemers patients.....Amirite? [yes of course i am, we have this argument/discussion almost daily, week in week out]

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    12. Based on the premise that i highly doubt anybody has actually seen this model that you're all so quick to dismiss and decide it won't fit into your "art projects" i think.maybe just wait and see what it actually looks like when fully rendered then make a determination on whether its aesthetics can be enjoyed, plenty of ideas have seemed ludacris or "pants on head retarded" but when fully realised turn out to be quite dfferent then what we imagined. GW has done a fairly decent job of making new models fit the uniform image or theme of the army they are to become a part of so for now lets give them the benefit of the doubt on something entirely sight unseen, now if the wolves come out looking like the goblin riders kit ill be the first to throw the towel in the ring on this one but until then I've got my fingers crossed

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    13. HA.. I love Thunderwolves. I'm even hoping they add more of them to the codex. So there's that.

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    14. Heya nightfury, regarding my opinion of this grav chariot - it's not something I need to see to know it won't fit the look of my army. My guys are very traditional looking - tanks, speeders, heavy weapons, tough looking infantry. Thunderwolves and this chariot thing are not part of that look. It's not a matter of how beautifully sculpted it will look (and I'm pretty sure it will) or even of how amazing the rules will be, it's a matter of composition of the army as a whole visually. That's what I mean when I say it wouldn't work as part of my art project, which is how I view any army I paint.

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  7. I’m curious, is it that the mounts are wolves that you dislike, or is it the fact that in the year 40,000 societies would ever consider using animals for transportation?

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    1. the main problem ive seen people having is generally that its specifically space marines riding giant wolves, which breaks down into a variety of problems for them , including the inherent silliness of giant wolves, and the weight of the space marine riders.

      that said i bloody love thunderwolves!

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    2. If they were actually wolves then i might buy it as a complaint, but we all know there are no wolves on Fenris..

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    3. SW's thunder wolves are ok, and we accepted it for a long time. But chariot or sleigh for a Space Marine/Wolves? it looks stupid

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    4. You have a picture? Hard to tell if it 'looks stupid' until you see it I would think.

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    5. you say it looks stupid, but we havent actually seen it yet

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    6. You can see into the future!?! Are you the Emperor!?!

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    7. He's a Templar..he has 'visions'..Heretic!!!

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    8. He could be one of the Falle-... I mean, he could something not suspicious or heretical in any way. Yes.

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    9. In a galaxy full of crazy tech and alien species of all varieties...people have a problem with giant wolves.

      Anything to complain, I suppose.

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    10. Giant Wolves, no problem. Giant wolves being ridden into battle/pulling a sled? Silly.

      For the record, if Thunderwolves came as a unit sans riders, I think they would have been a great addition to the Codex.

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    11. whats silly about riding giant wolves? to me it makes as much sense as riding bikes into battle, the wolves are slower than the bikes, but also more maneuverable.

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    12. would you play space marines riding on space ponies? if not why? this is how i feel about space marines on wolves.

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    13. ponies no, but roided up cyborg stallions, maybe

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    14. i take that back, horses are just silly. but just because some animals are, doesnt mean all animals are. steeds of slaanesh are spindly as all hell and yet chaos marines can ride them. although id be all on board for night lords riding giant bats.

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    15. "the wolves are slower than the bikes, but also more maneuverable."

      And far more vulnerable, being unarmoured and all.

      For the record, Marines riding steeds of Slaanesh is equally dumb in my book.

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    16. @ Aria
      Currently US Marines use motorcycles in combat situations, though primarily as convoy guides, couriers, patrol, and scouting because they are inexpensive, agile, and fast.

      But they are not loaded for bear and as they are not armoured, they are highly susceptible to damage from small arms fire and IEDs. Not picking a fight, I like what you said.

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  8. 40k embrace the silliness or go play historical games! I swear I don't understand when people are like that's so silly/stupid/unrealistic. The whole concept of 40k fits inside that realm. If you don't like the astetics of a model or a design that I can get behind. But to say this is silly and this is not just seems condescending. IE: my giant Nurgle flies are so cool but your giant wolves are dumb...

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    1. Or I could just continue thinking certain units are silly and not use them. Why does thinking that mean I should play a different type of game? I love 40k.

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    2. Chariots are good for Daemon and Dark Eldar army. But Space Marines??? EWWW.... Imagine what happens if Tau have chariot,

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    3. I'm now picturing the Tau version of the Khador War Wagon. Although they would probably make it Kroot chariot either way I would be happy.

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    4. My point was its all silly! Of course you can play what you want, I was just suggesting a type of game based more on reality that you may enjoy more if you don't like the silliness of 40k. If your having fun then you are doing something right! Keep on wolf brother!

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    5. +1 bdkoontz.

      It's a bizarre attitude that says "giant, 6-boobed daemon lady with hooves? Cool! Space-vikings on giant wolves? GAWD, THAT'S JUST STUPID AND RUINS MY GRIMDARK."

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    6. +1 Thomas Gardiner.

      @sunhawk88: Only since it's GW, the model would look 1000 times better. Jeepers PP stuff looks bad (by comparison).

      Also, why is it okay for Daemons and Dark Eldar - supremely ancient by comparison to the Space Marines - to have more primitive tech like a chariot, but it's not okay for marines to do it? Dark Eldar especially, who rely on speed and have incredible vehicles for that...should have chariots. But not marines (who are modelled largely after Greek, Roman, and Celtic themes - all of whom had chariots).

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    7. How is it bizarre? As you said it's "my" grimdark so if it ruins it for me it ruins it for me. Does the fact that it doesn't ruin it for you ruin it for me? Nope. That's a lot of ruin so I'm worn out now. Time to etch some runes.

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  9. I am just excited to see space wolves getting units that will encourage their players to try to be into assault. Got tired of the triple longfang and 4 runepriest builds.

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  10. I may have to get one just to lead my all TW build, just for fun!

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  11. I wonder what Armour values they will get hmmm

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  12. All i know is we better get an interchangeable head and arm option for a wolflord in TDA, being able to make Logan or a generic termy lord would def sell more kits. Really surprised if Ragnar dosent get a resculpt or a new generic rune priest, only getting two new units is a weaksauce release for the sons of russ

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    1. They are getting two this week, two next week, and one more the week after.

      That said, there are a TON of old characters that need new models. I imagine this take on Logan getting a bump up to chariot-rider, the LoW stuff, etc., means they will be making characters a more focused and important centerpiece. Both from an aesthetic standpoint and in game play.

      Consider the 2nd edition models based on major players that are horrifically out-dated (I don't care how "classic" they are...they are bad):

      Abaddon
      Kharn
      Fabius
      Dante
      Mephiston
      Azrael
      Ragnar
      Ulrik...

      New sculpts for special characters are probably a little more intensive than generic CAD plastic kits. Don't be fully surprised if some of these move to FW...

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    2. Some of them sort of already have ;)
      But looking at the latest Plastic Finecast model: Krom Dragongaze I would say that GW can make awesome plastic characters.

      What I think is that they will do a huge relaunch of these characters when the time is right.
      We don't have THAT many codices left to update after Wolves:
      Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Necrons, Sisters.

      At the current pace that'll be over in 2015, early 2016. So they need filler months/weeks for 40k. New Characters would be an awesome thing that would sell something to everyone.

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    3. New ICs just scream out for WD and Dataslates. This is something that can be done in between army roll-outs literally forever.

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    4. Dreads aren't exactly a "new unit" new model sure, logan isn't a new unit either though technically his sled might fit that category though i still hold to the idea itlk be a LOW/HQ slot and that leaves two new units from one kit, the choice between a new fast attack or a new heavy support. If logan is the last kit then we got half as much as the orks and way less resculpts- worst wolves release ever, but ill hold that judgement until we are certain nothing else will be released

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  13. I love the idea. Phil Kelly said he designed the last Wolves codex with the intent of introducing Fantasy flavor into 40K, i.e. barbarian warriors with axes and shields riding big beasties into battle. I feel this rumor really fits into that design aesthetic, and that appeals to me.

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    1. the appeal has only doubled for me as fantasy seems to have gone the way of the squat

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  14. Hey, Thunderwolves fit with the Space Wolves theme and aesthetic(Plain and simple. I don't need to explain why. If you've read any amount of their back story and fluff, and understand the theme that they represent, you'll see why plain as day). People who complain about them are simply the vocal minority trying to warp the army to their point of view. That's all. They don't like one aspect of it and are going to yell and scream and call it stupid in an effort to try and get more people to think like them so that maybe, one day, GW will change how they present the representatives of this particular theme.

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    1. no we have many reasons. but i personally dislike that aspect of the army and as such wouldn't collect SW [extreme dislike for them aside] as they may play an importants role/strategy in army composition, some however just don't like the idea. you can add words all you want but it's not swaying personal opinion.

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  15. Gentlemen, we might want to tone down our rage until we actually see the model as well as its rules. As mentioned above, this is a fantasy sci-fi setting similar to Star Wars, where the theme is mainly "archaic" technology, meaning highly advanced technology wielded by cavemen with little understanding of it. While thunderwolves and chariots does sound ludicrous to most in this setting, bear in mind that Wolves in particular have never been technically inclined to maintain ancient relics of technology such as speeders, plasma or other weaponry apart from the tried and trusted bolter, missile, flamer and melta weapons. So if they do give Logan a chariot (although it sounds like a sled ala Radaghast the brown), I'm not gonna scream. I believe Canis Wolfborn already set the lowest standard for Space Wolves models and rules. Nothing else could look as bad as the giant squirrel he is.

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    1. Ironically the only specialist weapon in the Grayhunter box is plasma guns.
      I do think they maintain their plasma.

      Other than that I sort of agree with you.

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    2. huwhaaaaaat???!!! you mean, no melta?I bought a Gay Hunter kit earlier!!! I'll open it later, huhuhuhu.... =(

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    3. I would recomend this kit from FW though:
      http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-and-Accessories/SPAC__MARINE_SPECIAL_WEAPONS_PACK.html

      Will fill all your Flamer, Melta and Missile Launcher needs :D

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  16. Here's a suggestion: why don't we just reserve judgment until we actually see the fucking mini? I hope it's awesome, but it could equally be shit. Either way we won't know until we've SEEN it.

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  17. The chariot is the release i'm most looking forward to for Space Wolves... as it's in line with the Space Wolves slightly feral fluff.. and the burning chariot of Tzeentch is quite a cool model so i am hoping this will be similar.

    Also, why would a Wolf Lord put himself in a tank when he can do more damage out in the open. The chariot maximizes the Wolf Lord's destructive power and is a great idea.

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    1. until Pie plates start raining and ruining your wolf Lords parade....why would a commander be out in the open when he could be riding in a mobile fortress? [i think a heavy battle tank/apc would do more damage than on a chariot]

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    2. Not to be a bugger but hiding in a "mobile fortress" doesn't seem to be a thing a space wolf would do (though you could say they wouldn't be flying either lol). I think they would enjoy feeling the sun on their face, sniffing the air with their noses to figure out where enemies are, and hitting stuff with axes as they ride along... As for the rules of the model (including the armor values) we haven't seen anything yet. It might be as good as the Necron chariot. For now we all need to chill til it drops.

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    3. Yeh, because Logan Grimnar is clearly the model/character who is crying out to be stuck in a tank the whole game!?

      Hell no - he is there to get stuck-in to the melee, and in that sense the chariot is arguably more relevant.

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    4. The Vlka Fenryka fight for honour and glory for there Sagas to be long and bloody. Samus Aran I understand your way of thinking but we are on about the Sons of Russ here my friend. There is no better strategy than slamming your axe into your enemies face to win a war.

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    5. @Samus
      Maximum safety is clearly not the highest priority of someone running into battle in a giant suit of armor with no helmet on. His face isn't bullet proof but that hardly stops him from not wearing it.

      40k is full of models who are unnecessarily unarmored, even when it's available to them.

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  18. Ah what a wonderful day to battle in this hive city. Brother Sigvald, ready my chariot!

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    1. Hahah, okay, that does sound a bit silly if ya put it like that :P

      i wonder what the official name will be.

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    2. Ah what a wonderful day to battle in this hive city. Brother Sigvald, ready my land raider!

      Sounds just as silly.... no? I think you're confusing the tone of the speaker (clearly ridiculous) with the vehicle/mount.

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    3. What makes you think that? Lol

      I find the phase he used funny. Made even funnier with such an out of place sounding term such as 'chariot' :P

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  19. What a piss-poor idea! The model may look good and they will make it over-powered to encourage sales. You can only polish a turd soo much though. I hate this idea. I would like Space Wolves to go back to their roots. Bin off these childish designs GW. Real SW fans want them to look barbaric and savage.

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    1. I am a Space Wolves fan.
      I am in fact real, and not a figment of anyone's imagination.
      And I like the idea of a Chariot, which let's face is a savage and barbaric thing for a space marine to do.

      Your logic is flawed.

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    2. if going by anything here or on wh40k in general any logic is flawed, so in reality whats different?

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    3. One of the great things about Wolves is that each Great Company has it's own identity. You like tanks?, Do Iron Wolves..you like Giant Wolves?, Do Harald Deathwolf..Drop Pods, you have Ragnar, etc. It is my favorite aspect of them, you can stay true to the 'fluff' and basically build any type of army you want. So don't use the chariot and pick whatever Great Company that fits your style.

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    4. Yup, that is definitely one of the reasons I love them so much. My guys are Erik Morkai's great company, with all the wolf scouts you could eat for breakfast :)

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    5. +1 Quinn. On point there brother.

      and if you like fighting overwhelming odds in close combat and coming out on top (coz your a jammie git lol) do my great company lol.

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  20. And lo, the GW haters created an ideological echo-chamber. And they did resent those who enjoyed their hobby and accused them of having their very own ideological echo chamber. And those who enjoy their hobby did rise to the bait, and became themselves as hateful. And lo, a new hobby hobby of snipe and counter=snipe was formed by both sides.

    Charman looked upon it with contempt, and belatedly realised with shock that his disdain for the haters had made him less likely to critique the rare GW products he did in fact dislike. And lo, in a moment of revelation he understood that this is what happens when you look at a GW rumour site during lunch and just before work. No matter how much time a man spends in the light, the nerd rage pulls him down in the end. He decided that he would write a last comment in third person, clear his cache and in future wait for GW to announce things product. None of those voices would miss him, if they had even noticed him. But he would be free of the ever-more entrenched misery of the rumour sites for good. :)

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  21. I'm pretty damn sure that most of the people who are crying about a space wolf sled are literally imagining a big, red, wooden sled with bells attached. Dudes ... Its gonna be okay. The GW design team have infinitely more experience than you at making things look cool and are FULLY aware of the fictional setting that they are creating models for. I think everyone should stop acting like their opinion is the be all and end all of discussions (you know who you are), because its these very people that get shot down by other people who stand by that very fact, leading them to tears and rage.

    just chill and enjoy your damn rumours. I wouldn't be surprised if natfka stopped reading the comments by now you daft uppity pricks.

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    1. "The GW design team have infinitely more experience than you at making things look cool "

      *cough* dreadknightstormravencenturionsogrynswyvernstormfangmorkanaught *cough*

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    2. morkanaught and wyvern aside, i love all those models aesthetically. the models themselves have never had a particularly grim feel to me, except maybe certain parts of the guard range. heck, gw's falgship army are giant men in bright blue armour and gold leaf on the edges

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    3. Really? I mean, I agree with the lack of grimdark, but you really find the Stormraven and Centurions esthetically pleasing?

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    4. ill be honest, i did reel away from the centurions at first... but ive slowly become more attracted to their big, stompy appearance. the price tag and lack of invul still puts me off though.

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    5. To each their own, I guess. I really like the artwork for the Cents, but I find that GW failed to translate the art into model form properly.

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    6. I actually really enjoy the Morkanaught and Wyvern models, the rest you mentioned i'm not as fond of. Though I do agree that Centurions have grown on me a little, though I still find them unappealing overall visually.

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    7. GW will never make it possible for everyone to like all their models, but I bet ya that the majority of people who see them, think theyre good looking pieces. I just cant wait to see papa wolf on a spess sled :P

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  22. New pics up @ http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.com/2014/07/rumores-nuevas-imagenes-y-rumores-sobre.html?m=1

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    1. very useful pics. thanks for posting!

      good to see the dreads do have access to hellfrost, and looks like theres enough bits to convert a standard dread kit without it looking like its not from the wolf dread kit, so thatll save a fiver ;)

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    2. Fantastic, looks like there is a hel of a lot of parts in the dreadnought kit. Really need to know exactly what's in the Wolf Guard Edition if anybody can help with a translation. From what I can tell it doesn't include the strategy or physic cards.

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