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WD Leaks showing Mont'ka's Details and Limited Edtions



This is a cool set of leaks with a good look at the cover of Mont'ka and what this weekend's White Dwarf reveals. Some cool looking artwork in there as well, not to mention this week's releases.


Check them out, and thanks to aracersss for linking us up from Advanced Tau Tactical

via SS  on (Advanced Tau Tactical):
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  1. Just a heads up that the link isn't formatted right, missing the first h

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    1. I'll get that fixed here in about 10 minutes

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    2. Also want to say thanks for putting in the work, that got left out earlier

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  3. I'd be excited, if it weren't for the Tau.

    Seeing as they're involved, the conclusion is already obvious: They'll win, with minimum loss and effort.

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    1. Well, it says one of the main tau characters, Shadowsun, Farsight, or Aun'Va dies. My money is on Mr. Ethereal as its make the most sense for why Farsight and Shadowsun work together. Thats a loss of atleast some kind.

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    2. They already killed the Raven guard chapter master and the obsidian knight. So it's only fair someone dies in the tau story.

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    3. Id like to see the new tech priest rules and see if they are worth it yet.

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    4. I sure hope it's Shadowsun. Commander Mary Sue is roughly 90% of what's wrong with the Tau fluff.

      It's probably gonna' be the Space pope, though.

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    5. Yeah, it is nice to see a story with the Imperium on the backfoot and under siege, but do they have to be such flaming Mary Sues about it? Be nice if the Tau took some heavy losses, despite their technological advantage.

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    6. Lol Commander Mary Sue... I always preferred Commander Tsundere.

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    7. So i heard that they finally found the super sneaky chapter master of the Raven Guard, they gave him the award, he joined a campaign and finding out he was not as good at fighting as he was at hiding. . . he got kill, so now Shirk shines! I hope he gets new rules, like a forge world pdf or a faq update

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    8. Erm, Alex, honey, the books are called "Kauyon" and "Mont'ka" which ARE Tau words for types of battle strategy. Your presumed annoyance here is comparable to me (a devout Tau enthusiast, collector, and player) being upset that a book named "Battle For Macragge" would be about Space Marines.

      I think you just need to accept that some books are about other races.

      That, and maybe a time-out. ;)

      No, seriously, Aun'Va needs to go. Shadowsun is a valuable part of Tau Fluff as she has been integral to the Kauyon method since forever. Farsight is the same for the Mont'ka method.

      Kill Aun'Va, legitimize O'Kais. That's what they should do, but probably won't.

      Oh, and give Alex a cookie.

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    9. The Tau really don't seem to fit the 40k setting. Shiny, new, progressive! Nothing goes seriously wrong for them in a galaxy that's awash in violent, angry aliens, and pervaded by corrupting extra-dimensional entities.

      Everything everyone else touches blows up in their face, but the Tau just seem to sail through everything. Every other faction has a really severe dark side (unless it's just ALL dark side,) but the Tau are just...somewhat authoritarian.

      Really hope they'll bring the Tau in line with the rest of the setting, but I doubt that's going to happen.

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    10. Oh its been hinted that the tau dark side might be more insidious than even the tau know for themselves.

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    11. Agree. Tau get the Mary Sue treatment HARD. And Battle for Macragge comparison? Give me a break - the ENTIRE 1st company was wiped out! When have the Tau sucfered losses as serious?

      I always hoped the Tau would start showing their flaws. Civil war with Farsight. Drone intelligence gone self aware and rouge. Warp experiments release daemons that wreck PLANETS like they do in Imperial stories. Populations that have to be exterminated lest they spread zombie plague. Gue'vesa rebellions. Exterminatus that wipes out hundreds of Ethereals. Y'know? Like real, actual setbacks?

      Instead, no. Tau just get the easy path every time. I mean, there are stories space marine chapters exterminating advanced xenos species singlr handedly, but when it comes to the fish-commies? No dice.

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    12. No, see, the point isn't that the Tau get that treatment in their own books.the point is that they get that treatment *at all times* even other people's books.

      That's why they're Mary sues.

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    13. Tau AI rebellion faction would bleed my wallet dry. OMG. (Not that it'll happen, but still.)

      They're also right in the path of the Tyranid invasion, but that somehow won't be an issue.

      Also, demons don't care about the Tau! I mean, they'll possess a forklift or a computer, but a Tau? That'd just be crazy. Why possess a guy driving a riptide when you could possess a FORKLIFT? Think of the stuff you could tip over in that thing!

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    14. Well heres the thing, the Tau need to have a good start cause they are so far behind and small, once they have a good footing and size then they can start getting regular beatings.

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    15. tau suddenly gets more love compare to pre 6th, and suddenly they are everyone's most hated target? and I thought that space smurfs or space elves couldn't get dethroned ever

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    16. Don't get (most of) us wrong: it's nice to see other factions than the Imperium in the spotlight.

      The problem arises when they're portrayed as Mary Sues. As stated, Shadowsun represents roughly 90% of what's wrong with the Tau fluff. If they take this opportunity to off her, they might end up becoming an interesting faction.

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    17. Best not to go there. Eldrad was trapped forever in the Inifinity Circuit of a Blackstone Fortress with a Slaanesh daemon prince yet somehow, ++somehow++, he manages to make it back to sipping key lime daiquiris in the sun tan chamber on Ulthwé. I'd hate to see Shadowsun get killed in stories only for her to come back again and again when GW wants to sell more Shadowsun models (not quite dead yet!)

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    18. Thing is, Games Workshop see humanity as the focus for 40k (Marines especially, in case anyone had missed that subtlety) with everything gnawing away at the Imperium from within and without.

      There are rising threats against the Imperium and the Tau are one of these along with Tyranids and Necrons. People want grimdark? Tyranids eating systems is dark. The Tau gaining ground is grim. It is. When it comes to 40k, Humanity In Space, from the perspective of the protagonists (us) the Tau are not good in any way, their successes should be viewed in that context.

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    19. As for nothing bad ever happening to the Tau there's a story in the 5th ed Dark Eldar book that begs to differ

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    20. Ah yes, the one story in the DE book.

      As opposed to the one in the 5th ed Tyranny one, where they out-adapted the Tyranny have fleet notable for its adaptiveness?

      Or the Media V campaign, where everybody else basically gained nothing in return for taking part in a month-long meatgrinder, but they Tau getting everything they wanted short of actual warp travel?

      Or the last where they take on a galaxy spanning empire that should be able to crush them without even wanting to, but somehow manage to hand said empire it's are on a silver platter every single time?

      Yeah, that minor skirmish against the dark eldar sure was a defining part of their history, wasn't it?

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    21. Good God, I blame autocorrect for the incoherence in that one. It's supposed to be Tyranid and have fleet, if you didn't gather.

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    22. I get the feeling that people complaining about Tau fluff have never actually properly read it. Tau have plenty of losses and get beaten back and crushed massively early on, losing key individuals along the way.

      The reason why Tau win so much is at this point in history they're starting their 3rd campaign. They've built a big force, studied the imperium, advanced technologically for many, many years. They then attack a slow moving behemoth that is being attacked by other forces too. The Tau should be making big gains at this point. Later on things may change as the imperium ramps up

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    23. The Tau fluff is written like Soviet propaganda. And that's how it should be portrayed, in the first Apoc Damocles book they get stomped. HARD. The Sept, Kel'shan, is constantly under attack by Tyranids. Not to mention IOM, and in older fluff a Warp gate that lies near the sept is patrolled by them. The ENTIRE sept of Dal'lyth is almost empty, mysteriously empty. The fact Farsight lives is dark alone. Aun'shi? That ninja Ethereal, in a Dark Eldar coliseum. Farsight? Travelling the galaxy with a Space Marine, known as the Calavera, who may be a Chaplain I might add. He now calls himself Mont'Shassar. The Tau aren't being beaten back, they're hitting the Imperium like a ton of bricks in their weak side. But the Darkness of the Tau lingers, there is more going in than what's written and it's clear it's not good for anybody. And only the Ethereals know.

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    24. But that's the thing, it's only implied darkness, not anything realized. And sure, they're hitting the weak side of the Imperium, but they aren't troubled by orks, necrons, tyranids, Eldar, Dark Eldar or Daemons?

      In books about the Imperium, they discover an STC fragment for a fork, end up losing 13 worlds in the ensuing conflict with 5 other factions, only to find out that the fragment is possessed by daemons and only produces evil, unholy forks, and must be destroyed at the cost of 2 systems.

      The other xenos factions are at least as wretched as the Imperium, with the possible exception of the orks, who are too dumb to understand how horrible their existence is.

      Implication is a nice start, but the Tau have been around for how long? And still they're only hinting at problems?

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    25. Also, even if they *are* hitting the Imperium in its weakest parts, that would be analogous to a single influenza bacteria, unable to duplicate, taking on the assembled immune systems of the entirety of Earth, at once.

      And kicking their collective arses, without breaking a sweat. the Tau empire is *tiny*. It's got about 100 worlds, which leaves the Imperium, even at the smallest number of worlds given (a million) *ten thousand* times larger. Add in that single hive worlds have larger populations than the entirety of the Tau empire, and sh*t'll get even more absurd.

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    26. The Tau have only been fighting the Imperium for a few hundred years, 400 tops. There hasn't been enough time for the dark stuff to come out... the ethereals hide allot as the truth of such things like the warp would hurt the greater good.

      There are plenty of dark stuff, Fire Cast is a pretty grim book and shows how dark the tau become when you don't have an ethereal... also Aun'va is a huge pick I hope he dies.

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    27. And in that time they've been saved by way of Deus ex Machina *thrice*

      Not counting the point of first contact. That would make it four.

      Nor is it counting their fighting against the orcs, the Tyranids' evident unwillingness to even touch them, the rather suspicious lack of tomb wolrds in their vicinity, the Eldar being all "all of you suck. But not these blue fish people. You're allright", and their immunity to daemons, despite them being able to possess all *other* things, including AIs and f*cking *buildings*.

      The Tau are spared from the general grimdark of 40k, for no apparent reason other than them being Tau.

      And that makes me sad, because they *could* have been awesome, but now they're not, because they're a mary-
      suetopia.

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    28. Lol, then you don't read the fluff... Tau get their ass kicked by Orks, Chaos, and Nids all the time, but at the same time they are very good at detecting and dealing with corruption.

      There is a warp rift to their north, Hive fleets to the north too, Orks to the east and west, the Imperium to the west, and there is a tomb world in the north east I think it was... Tau lost 3 planets to hive fleet gorgon before they started to hold the line and even then they only lived because the IG showed up.

      I mean its not like we're brofisting with Necrons or something.

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    29. You can hate the Tau for being too clean, thats ok because they were designed to be that way. Its all on purpose to an outside point of view, you not suppose to see the darkness unless your in it.

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    30. Did they suffer any adverse effects from any of it?

      No. Either nothing happened, or they learned large amounts of hugely important things from it, preventing it from ever happening again.

      The first of those also apply to the Imperium, but that makes sense in their case, seeing as it's a galaxy spanning empire. The second *never* happens to the Imperium, because the never learn anything, evidently.

      They Tau never *actually* lose anything, because they just adapt ad infinitum.

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    31. You pretty much described the preheresy imperium... Let put it this way. if Aun'va does die it will be a very hard loss, like emperor size loss.

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    32. Well, if that's the case then it would be interesting to see that loss reflected in their narrative and development.

      Still hoping for AI rebellion though, heh.

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    33. It may happen but the Tau have installed a way to switch off AI personality as they had problems with Drones making their own choices.

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    34. "Don't worry, we built Skynet with an off switch, so it's safe."

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    35. I think longstrike will get killed by pask

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    36. No, pre-heresy Imperium was a giant force lead by a godlike being who had been planning for this moment since his inception.

      The Tau are a giant Mary Sue who have no reason in being in 40k. They are treated as if they are the most technologically advanced species when both the Eldar/Dark Eldar and especially the Necrons are far more advanced than the Tau. Of which the Tau might as well be stone throwing barbarians compared to the Necrons whom's base troop carries a weapon that can reduce a Warlord Titan to dust.

      Its funny how Necron Technology doesn't simply win Necrons their battles but Tau... everyone just cannot get around Tau Technology. Then Tau have probably the most unrealistic way to wage war and what is funny is that GW wasted their time to make a primer about how the Imperium fights. Which is interesting because they actually fight tactically and strategically like the Soviet and US military with the Space Marines utilizing tactics akin to the US marines. Tau? A made up system of war that COMPLETELY flies in the face of BASE military tactics. Like Kauyon and Commander Shadow Mary Sue and Sternshield who all were about constant falling back to lure people into traps. You know that doesn't work in actual battle, right? The whole "we don't need to hold ground to win" doesn't work in a fight against armies.

      Kauyon is the lowest point of Warhammer 40k fluff because unlike Sabbat Worlds Crusade or 13th Black Crusade, Kauyon was a work of poor writing. It was a work of terrible writers who had no idea how to write up a battle where Tau could beat Space Marines without resorting to the Unbeatable Commander trope. The worst part is they had to make the Space Marines completely out of character with the Death of Severax being one of the worst deaths in a fluff i have ever read. I mean they already had a full proof way of having the Tau beat the Space Marines.. Its called attrition Warfare. Helsreach was very good at showcasing how a company of space marines losing one marine per engagement over the course of 30 days literally grinded Grimaldus's company down.

      I mean basic War 101 when facing an elite force (or anyone) always make sure you hold the numbers advantage. The Space Marines were broken down into chapters to ensure the Imperium could grind them into dust, so if you have a bunch of chapters slam into the tau who have.. over a billion soldiers you don't have to use the equivalent of curving a bullet aka Kauyon. I mean the idea of baiting a force to attack a world that has a massive army and a new weapon hiding would have a brilliant idea to represent Kauyon.

      Instead? I read one of the most unimpressive garbage that made me dislike the Tau because the book was written for Tau fanboys instead of 40k fans.

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    1. It does. Thankfully we won't have to wait until February as had been rumored but it's weird not to have a stand-alone FE supplement

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    2. Yes, but this at least re-incorporates the special nature of the enclaves and the eight. Making it a special formation fits the new decurion-style force structures. Though it remains to be seen how it will treat crisis suits as troops.

      It could have been (and may still be) worse, it could have gotten the Iyanden treatment where wraithguard are no longer allowed as troops.

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    4. Don't say decurion-style force structure! The proper term is faction detatchment. :-P

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    5. I can see them being ruled out as troops since they are in squads of 8 now. Hopefully not as Crisis troops own

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    6. I see the point of of maybe not having massive squads of XV-8 troops running amok, but there are times when I'd like an all battlesuit army...

      Don't get me wrong, I like my kroot and fire warriors just fine, but sometimes I just want to switch things up a little. Kinda like giving it a go with the left hand, ya know?

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  5. That skitari pointing at the stormsurge looks like a kid saying "Daddy i want this" to his papa - the automata.

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    1. Blasphemy, son of Mars. The Omnissiah provides all we will ever need. Envy of the lesser MotiveForcelings is a sure path to datamnation.

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  6. Drat there's Ad Mech in this book? Now i may have to find the money to buy it

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  7. Updated rules for Cadians? I REALLY want this now, but I might have to wait until the rumored IG codex drops next year

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  8. Bet Farsight dies.

    That way you don't need an enclaves "book" (new detachments will give Tau the ability to go all suits all the time).

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    1. i bet tyranids eat the tau empire along with the IoM and also everything in wh40k /spoilers for wh40k "end times". forces of chaos return in WH50kL: Age of End Times as imperial daemons, also tyranids will be the dominant faction in that game.....they'll ally with Eldar or what remains and they'll have pink tutu's on. it'll be brilliant writing fluff.

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    2. My bet is Aun'Va dies. Farsight is too grand of a character. Shadowsun is his Abadon. Aun'Va is Emperor Palpatine.

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  9. i want to get in on this campaign so bad with skitarii and tua and astra militarism and raven guard and to many ands. But i has no money :( Oh, and the probably won't kill Shadowsun or Farsight so i bet the kill off the Etheral. and then proceed to write another 5 books about the assassins

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    1. i has no moneyz either. not till the new year (after xmas) so i knows the feels of has no moneyz.

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    2. You can't hide Xeno Inferno/Dark Apostle/Dark Inferno....
      I will always know it's YOU Muhahahaha!
      :P
      But on subject...
      Looking forwards to see the AstraGuard bit's!
      :)

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  10. WAIT WAT

    "...tells the entire narrative of both Kauyon and Mont'ka."
    "Data booklets for the Tau Empire...White Scars & Raven Guard..."


    WAT WAIT, SO THIS HAS ALL THE KAUYON INFO TOO?!

    WAT?! GW EXPLAIN...my Kauyon will get sold if this is the case, you silly bastards :'(

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    1. That's the Mont'ka LE, which oddly should really be called "WZ:Damocles LE" because it doesn't seem to have "Mont'ka" written on the cover anywhere :'(

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    2. Yeah, looks like the limited edition box collects everything in the entire campaign. I'm actually really tempted to pick this up for once. The normal editions are £90 together, but everything gaming-related is condensed into 2 thick rule/mission books (+2 fluff books).

      For £125 you get the contents of all the above, but with the rules split into smaller faction-specific books and a mission book which will be a lot easier to carry around! Throw in the other LE goodies, and it's just about worth it.

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    3. A fine assessment, I'm glad it's not just me raising an eyebrow!

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    4. It actually IS called the "Warzone Damocles Limited Edition". =P

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    5. Well yes, they've seen this and changed it now ;]

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  11. Ah of course the cadian pansies get there special cards, I guess I'll have to use my superior and manly catachans and pretend they are cadians??

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  12. I fucking hate my phone. I had a long writeup on how I understand imp players frustrations and suggested that they should watch and see. The death of Aun'Va will be terminal for the third sphere expansion and stop it dead in its tracks. It will also make any homecoming impossible for shadowsun or farsight.

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  13. I fucking hate my phone. I had a long writeup on how I understand imp players frustrations and suggested that they should watch and see. The death of Aun'Va will be terminal for the third sphere expansion and stop it dead in its tracks. It will also make any homecoming impossible for shadowsun or farsight.

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