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What's In the Khorne Daemonkin Codex, Units, Allies and More.



People are now getting the Khorne Daemonkin codex, and to be honest, the community has been calling for exactly this for a long time. Of course there are those that wanted more new units, new abilities, but everyone can't be happy. The fact that we got a Chaos God codex is simply amazing. 


What it does, is combine both Chaos Daemons (Khorne) with Chaos Space Marines (khorne). Kharn is somehow magically not a part of this, whether by design or mistake we will probably never know.

There are some great things in this book, and I think overall people will settle down with it and really get into the details, and how this book can be combined with the other books for truly something scary.

From various sources here is a listing of what is in the book by Foc. Each entry is complete in the book. I know some people were concerned it would just reference the other codices. Something interesting is that the while the point costs may look slightly different than they are in the other books, they aren't. Simply add the icon or marks of Khorne, and you have point cost for the new book. For example... The Chaos Lord in the CSM codex costs 65pts. Add the mark of khorne for 10pts.... and then you have the new point cost in Codex Khorne Daemonkin.

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
HQ
Chaos Lord
Blood Throne
Herald
Daemon Prince
Bloodthirster of the Unfettered Fury
Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster
Bloodthirster of the Insensate Rage
Skulltaker

Elite
Possessed
Bloodcrushers
Chaos Terminator

Troop
Chaos Cultist
Chaos Space Marines
Bloodletters
Beserkers

Fast Attack
Heldrake
Flesh Hounds
Chaos Bikers
Chaos Spawn
Chaos Rhino
Warp Talons
Raptors

Heavy Support
Helbrute
Maulerfiend
Skull Cannon
Forgefiend
Defiler
Chaos Land Raider
Soul Grinder

Lord of War
 Lord of Skulls


Allies
Battle Brothers: Chaos Daemons, Chaos Space Marines
Allies of Convenience: Necrons, Orks
Desperate Allies: Dark Eldar, Tau Empire
Come the Apocalypse: Armies of the Imperium, Eldar, Harlequins, Tyranids



Here is also some information from Spikey bits from Via Captain Citadel
Similar to the Necron Decurion, the Daemonkin Blood Host Detachment that consists of unique formations from this book.
Every turn players can spend ‘Blood Tithe’ points to get free Daemon Princes, +1 attacks, Feel No Pain, a Bloodthirster, etc.
Codex Daemonkin are Battle Brothers with Chaos Daemons, and Chaos Space Marines, and Allies of Convenience with Necrons and Orks!
Rules for all three new bloodthirsters are in this book.
The Lord of Skulls is available as a Lord of War choice, and it’s profile appears unchanged.
Juggernauts are back as equipment.
Some Daemons saw a drop in points, and various squads are fielded in “eights”.
Daemons included in this book are not subject to instability, and instead are fearless.
There is a axe of that when it’s user dies in battle, a Bloodthirster appears for free.
Another piece of wargear makes psykers take perils on doubles within 24″ of the bearer.

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  1. I really don't understand why Kharne isn't included... Unless he's made with relics now? Or theirs going to be a "supplement: world eaters" or something..... Very strange. Hopefully he's not canned

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    1. ...or they expect you to use the Kharn Dataslate from Christmas.

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    2. As I understand it, that won't work too well. The unit doing the killing/ dying has to have the Blood For the Blood God rule to gain Blood Tithe points, so if you use the Dataslate (as it is currently, at least) you won't get any.

      Getting Kharn into a Daemonkin army without borking the Tithe is going to be, at best, very inefficient. Odd decision on GWs part.

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    3. No kharn dataslate that i;ve seen... just a formation, which won't work for daemonkin.

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    5. The only explanation that I can think of is that (based on the description of the army in last weeks white dwarf) this book represents a *very* specific group of Khorne worshiping lunatics. And Kharn is not a member of one of these warbands.. weird but there you go. If someone that has the book can read the fluff sections and comment we might get a better point of view on why he's not in there.

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    6. I mean, you can still take kharn in an allied detachment, with a cultist tax. And you're going to want allies, because as it stands all the FW vehicles and legacies don't work with daemonkin.

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    7. theres no word on what faction this belongs too... or if its a new faction

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    8. GW always seemed iffy on having the same special character appear in two different books

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    9. i think daemonkin represent these guys: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Sanctified

      khornate word bearers who summon daemons and recruit all manner of traitors. when i first saw this dex that is my first thought.

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    10. Or:
      They have a redesign of Kharn in the works, and didn't want to put him in the codex due to the image becoming outdated.

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    11. Yeah aurgelmir.... They are probably holding kharn & new zerkers & hounds & loads more goodies back.... For the real Khorne Book releas. This was just a first One to test the waters, if people like khorne over CS other Fan favorits -_-

      GW has no idea how to sell miniatures..nore what would sell.

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    12. I do not agree, Seb. (this is long, but worth it)

      I think GW knows exactly how to sell miniatures. Daemonkin have Chaos Daemons (CD) or CSM as blood brother allies, which requires that you have another codex or dataslate to run the allies, and thus Kharne. GW just made another sale.

      From another perspective, if GW put ALL the Khorne or CSM goodies into the Deamonkin book then folks would not likely buy the other chaos books (not talking about people who already have them). I say this because though I am historically a Tau, Eldar and Templars player, I have recently jumped into building a Crimson Slaughter (CS) army, and now I want this codex too.

      I see the potential of running my CS as a vanilla CSM army serving the Blood God -most of my models can be used for either of the two armies, I just need the deamonkin book and some Daemon models. I do not necessarily want the CD codex as I don't intend to play any daemons but these any time soon, but who knows. I am reluctant to buy the CD book just for a single model, though I probably will sooner or later. ;)

      GW has marketed this series of releases to me very effectively. I already have the CSM and Crimson Slaughter books so I have those options for my army, and now they have provided a logical path for me to expand it to include Chaos Daemons. And as I said, I will eventually buy the CD book as well. That is now four codices sold from just the Dark Vengeance box set, five if I pick up the black legion supplement. Otherwise I may have never flirted with Chaos.

      I am far from a blithering sycophant, but I find myself excited to buy these models. Like many others, I have been waiting for something like this. I like the timing, synergy, and potential of the army and the ability to grow it in an interesting direction. And without bragging, I have both the disposable income and the desire to do it. And I am not alone.

      Whether we like it or not, that IS how to sell models AND books. And no matter how much Internet "personalities" wail and moan, it is a smart strategy to sell what people are buying, not what a relative few are complaining about. GW cannot possibly give everyone every single thing they want with every release. So every release is cause for more belabored bitching. I am not trying to pick a fight, and I know this is hard for you to accept because you and many others despise GW for whatever reason. This is evidenced by you taking every opportunity to bash them. But I really like what GW is doing, and I will not begrudge them turning a profit while making me happy.

      That's like getting mad at a prostitute for charging you.

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    13. yup, GW has no idea how to sell its products, that why they went out of business decades ago.

      oh wait.

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    14. Why no kharn? Because then no one would take a lord with the fancy new axe or sword. Obv

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  2. It's interesting imo that not only is Kharn not in the list, but neither is Karanak. Are the heralds still a 4:1 HQ option?

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    1. doesn't look like it. No Karanak or Skarbrand is wierd.

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    2. Skarbrand was to be expected once the new bloodthirster came out and he wasn't an option. But the other two have models... Very strange...

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    3. From a fluff perspective, I can see why Karanak was left out. He only comes when Khorne wants him to hunt down someone, and thus isn't really summoned in the normal fashion.

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    4. Then why can anyone field him? Why would khorn be less inclined to send karanak out alongside khorne daemonkin than along with a regular daemon army that migh not even be mistly khorne aligned?

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    5. @Roderick, maybe that's the difference between Khorne worshipers summoning daemons (Daemonkin) and Khorne himself launching an incursion into the material world (Codex Daemons).

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    6. That's some pretty weak reasoning. Khorne's mortal/daemonic followers could easily facilitate summoning Karanak.

      I guess our only option is inventing reasons after the fact, whatever the motivation behind GW's decision.

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    7. Apart from Skulltaker, they left out all of the named Khorne HQs for both CSM and CD. Interesting.

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    8. I think they did not intend to duplicate the Khorne army faction into this book. It could also be because they want you to summon these units by killing other units, not necessarily run it as a complete combined arms army from turn one.

      This may be an attempt to spice up gameplay a little and make a little money while doing it. :0

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  3. THere are no Free daemon pricnes of bloodthirsters. They have to pop out of a daemon character. and arrive by deep strike, so all the usualy problems of summoning an FMC are there. And if you fail your ld test you get a spawn instead.

    and bloodreapers are ld7 so yeah.

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    1. You're pretty wrong. A character WITHOUT the daemon rule can turn into a daemon with blood tithe. No mention of deep strike. He turns into it. And if you fail your leadership, your character dies, and you get nothing (No spawn). So yeah, you might have misread quite a bit :D

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    2. Being summoned is explained underneath the Bloodtithe table in the codex. It explains that units deep strike in. Therefore a FMC will be in flight mode.
      I was hopeful but sadly.

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    3. And I have the codex in hand so if you have questions I can answer when I get home from work in 5 hours time.

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    4. ah smashing, without daemon is a lot easier.

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    5. "Therefore a FMC will be in flight mode."

      Lol. So basically if you spend your 8 blood points from turn 4, you've effectively summoned in a 12" s6 Ap2 shooting attack. Oh sorry and a single s6 hit against a ground target.

      Every time somebody posts something about this codex the more I thank Khorne for the Chaos Daemons codex....;).

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    6. Uh..except for the part where you choose which flight mode FMCs start in when you deepstrike them. Do you guys even BRB

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    7. "If a Flying Monstrous Creature arrives via Deep Strike Reserve, it always counts as being in Swooping mode."

      "Some units must arrive by Deep Strike. They always begin the game in Reserve and always arrive by Deep strike."

      "...the new unit then arrives via Deep Strike, within the power's maximum range."

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    8. Just some relevant rules pointing out, unfortunately, we have to deep strike swooping.

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    9. I suppose a rules lawyer could argue it's not the same thing, but I think most people will agree that it is.

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    10. Ok that's retarded. New theory. This is written for 8th Ed when they unfuck FMC rules.

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    11. Daemons Princes and BT's are not summoned with the bloodtithe, they are placed within 6" of the non-daemon character that is then removed as a casualty.

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    12. Yes they are summoned with Blood Tithe as well. I have the cards and both say "...is summoned within 6"..."

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  4. Can Skulltaker ride in the LandRaider?

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    1. best thing I have seen is him mounted on a FW bloodslaughterer. Sure, it only counted as a jug, but it was some awesome eye-candy.

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  5. Also, do the CSM units still have the Champion of Chaos rule?

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    1. Nope. gone, along with gifts of mutation.

      But all CSM and daemon characters have to challenge still.

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  6. /Dreams a dream of a Tzeentch Daemonkin LoW to keep pace

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    3. Me too. I'm switching to chaos god that gives a sh*t about his minions...;-P

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  7. Says some daemons dropped points but the intro says there were no points drops. Hmm?

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    1. yeah, a unit of bloodletters only cost the same as 8 bloodletters in the daemon book! But then again, there IS only 8 of them in this codex, hmmm.. So a point drop to match the model drop.

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    2. ie no point drop PER model, but its a little cheaper to take a base unit if you just wanna fill out those FoC slots

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  8. Is Lord of Skulls still 888 points?

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    1. This is a fucking hack job. What a wasted opportunity.

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    2. Agreed. Either change rules so its worth 888 point or drop the points. It was cute in apocalypse where points don't matter as much, but in regular games its stupidly overpriced.

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    3. ^ it's a classic case of "when fluff goes wrong" people love fluff. except when it's "fluffy"

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    4. It's not the fluff that's gone wrong, it's the rules.

      Clearly nobody sat down to think what kit 888pts actually buys you. It's only when they put it in Escalation next to the Stompa they suddenly thought "aaahhhh right that's what it should have had. Oh well too late now....."

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    5. I play neither Chaos nor Apoc, and the Lord of Skulls price/rules is still one of the most irksome things in 40K to me.

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    6. I love my Khornedozer to pieces but yeah, fielding it is definitely a case of having fun despite the game, not because of it.

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    7. fluff = 888. see a theme. 8 = khornes lucky number. sure it's the rules but in this case it's also a "LOL" fluff moment. it's almost like "derp....really *facepalm...*

      it also could be better rules wise or to suit the models appearance/fluff but we could say the same about 90% of the units in 40k's power level, including space marines. now that is saying something. this time unfortunately is a large model, large price to buy miniature $/points. but it's still pretty cool "fluff/aesthetic wise" if not in game itself.

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  10. Have units stats been channged? Or they are just the same as in csm\daemons codexes? The point cost for csm units is the same?

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    1. On a per model basis, everything is basically the exact same once you factor in upgrades. Some things might be cheaper or more expensive for a base squad because minimum squad sizes decreased and some units have to come with upgrades (like Mark of Chaos). But if you were to make an identical squad to the CSM/CD codices they would cost the same.

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  11. points mostly the same- except mark of khorne is included and Daemon has been upgraded to Daemon of khorne, at the cost of a point for infantry, possibly a bit more for vehicles.

    Cultists, marines and bloodletters have min unit size of 8. So letters go down a few points, the others go up (cultists only slightly).

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    1. Do possessed have both the mark and daemon of rules? If so, that's not bad.

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    2. No, blood letter don't have the mark. What about Possessed? Do they have both Daemon Of Khorne and Mark Of Khorne?

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    3. No, blood letter don't have the mark. What about Possessed? Do they have both Daemon Of Khorne and Mark Of Khorne?

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    4. Yep, the have both Mark of Khorne and Daemon of Khorne.

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  12. So Kharn isn't in the book. But he is battle brother with it. Blood tithe says you have to be part of the Daemonkin book to count? What happens when you join Kharn to a unit of Cultists from Daemonkin? I guess it's no use speculating before having the book in hand...

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    1. indeed... thought the same thing. on a fluff note the WD does say that these armies are basicly dammed. Khone wins with these armys wether they lose or win .. its a cult, a sweeping path of slaughter right to hell. Kharn cares not for such feverish armies, he goes where he pleases kiling where he wants. kharn and any silly enough to folow him are kinda like mercenaries in this respect.

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    2. See, for fluff reasons I get why he's not in there. It's the gamers not understanding that this isn't all World Eaters, but rather a specific group of frothing maniacs who have fallen out from said Legion.

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    3. ^ as i mentioned above they appear to be the sanctified (word bearer lead/recruited world eaters)

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    4. A frothing lunatic who fell out from the world eaters is exactly what kharn is. It makes zero sense for him to not be here.

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    5. for what stated in WD khorn codex is a own faction this mean, you can still ally them in tourney that do not allow ally with themself, thx gw now we can do again some fun thigns :)

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    6. Most of the Legions, except the Black Legion, have splintered. There are war bands using the old Legion Names still, but they aren't much bigger than Space Marine Chapters.
      So many of these new warbands go all out crazy it seems :)

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    7. Doogle
      A book about Khorne that is just copypast from other Books SHOULD cover world eaters & ICs devotated to khorne.
      Stop defending lazzy GW staff that doesnt care about Fan favorit ICs

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    8. Sorry Seb, but I wanted a Khorne book. I've wanted a Khorne since Slaves to Darkness. Being an old timer the Legions are still the new boys as far as I'm concerned and as such I have no interest in them in 40k. Not that I don't people to have legion rules, just to my mind the gods should be first. However I do agree there is a strong whiff of laziness in this book from what I've seen of the rumours, in that they really haven't bothered addressing the fundamental problems with some of the units in the books. To be fair though, I never expected them to.

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  13. Just noticed that Helbrutes are Heavy Support as opposed to Elite choice in the CSM codex.

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  14. Kharn not being in might indicate a legion focused csm book in the future, new codex or supplements maybe? Wishful thinking probably :P.

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  15. good to see an unofficial "The Sanctified" warband codex. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Sanctified

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  16. On the Kharne issue....Hes out of stock. They dont put entries in codexes for models they dont produce. He could be redone soon. They really do seem to be having serious supply issues with finecast and are desparately trying to get rid of it. I would not look too much into the fluff reasons. More into the supply chain side on this one.

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    1. finecast was never a permanent thing anyway, it was just a stopgap between getting all the metal kits into plastic

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  17. hahaha, bloodletters assaulting out of a land raider

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    1. With Dirge Casters, no less.

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    2. And now you can actaully have an independent character with them, due to minimum squad size being lowered to 8 and loss of daemonic instability.

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    3. Dirge casters are out, as far as I can see.

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  18. What's the deal with the Helbrute? Does he have Mark of Khorne or Daemon of Khorne? Also, not to be too negative, but Rhinos are Fast Attack? No offense, but Rhinos were nearly unusable for CSM as a dedicated transport. Now they contend with Heldrakes, Spawn, AND Hounds? Yeah. no.

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    1. every single 7th ed codex has put its transports in fast attack?

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    2. Do they? None of the armies I play have had 7th ed codexes so I wouldn't know that. I play CSM, Daemons, and AM. Is that the case?

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    3. Yes it is the case, all dedicated transports are now in the FA slot in all 7th ed codexes, squads can still buy the transport and it counts towards that squads points and changes it's battlefield role to match the purchasing unit , a tac squad who buy a rhino makes that rhino count as obsec if you're playing with a CaD etc

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    4. Alright, well that's "good" at least. Does that mean if you wanted to you could buy a rhino without need of something to put in it?

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    5. Jay, that is correct - and since it is not a Dedicated Transport it is limited to only having a specific unit eligible to start in it (See also: Space Wolf drop pods carrying allied Space Marine Cenutrions).

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    6. Ok, cool. So, do we know about the Helbrute part of my question?

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    7. I haven't seen anything, but I strongly doubt it - it looks like they are just adding "of Khorne" to anything that already has "Daemon", not adding DoK to things that weren't daemons to start with.

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    8. Helbrute is the same, other than being moved to Heavy Support BECAUSE WHY NOT DO THAT, RIGHT?

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    9. Oh yeah. It's way better than Soulgrinders and Maulerfiends... wait... no it isn't.

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  19. How much are the relics? Also, are axes of Khorne really 30 points for everybody?

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  20. GW: "CSM shall remain uncompetitive for the duration of 7th edition. Please buy these god supplements we printed in late 2012 as a token of our unappreciation."

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  21. What about Zhufor? Don't you want Zhufor to care about you? What about Anggrath? Don't let him slip away.

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  22. Let me guess... NO named characters allowed. That would be daringly stupid.

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    1. agreed it would be stupid but GW *reasons*

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