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What Does Lie Ahead? Chaos Space Marines and Adeptus Mechanicus



There are hints that we will be turning to Warhammer 40k now with Games Workshop releases. Next week's hints are suggesting a possible Khorne release containing White Dwarf dataslates. This falls in line with what we were talking about back in January in regards to a release schedule, and in order to clear up what is coming soon, it was time to have this resurface.


The Horus Heresy starter kit has been all the talk lately, and while I am sure it is already widely popular, solid rumors have this sitting out a ways, beyond the easily foreseen future. So lets take a look at what the next couple months are going to look like, according to this release schedule that Steve the Warboss put out for us back in early January.

Please remember that these are rumors.

via Steve the Warboss from January
-Dataslates for Cult Marines, Terminators, Chosen ect. in the WD
-One God per Issue (own slates for Berzerker Termis, Plague Termis ect.)

and this was his release schedule also from January
EARLY - MID JAN Skaven (confirmed)
LATE JAN Necrons
EARLY - MID  FEB Harlequin
LATE FEB - MID MAR Endtimes : Archaon
LATE MAR  CSM Suppliment
EARLY - MID APR  Adeptus Mechanicus
LATE APR - MID MAY  Warhammer Fantasy 9th (or a new Game called "Warhammer")

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  1. I like that line up for the next month or so.

    Chaos do need some love. Maybe make Berzerkers better than Space Wolves?

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    1. Give 'Zerkers a special rule they can assault out of Rhinos. Maybe take +1 attack on charge if they do.

      Call it Choppy Charge or something lile that.

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    2. You know they'd call it Berzerker Bloodcharge, c'mon. :D

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    3. Bloody Berzerker Bloodcharge, using Bloodaxes, with a new character named Blød Bloodzerker. Released in the campaign box Bloodstorm.

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    4. I'd buy it reggie. Blood for the Blood God,

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    5. Bloodaxes, I heard they're AP2 at initiative! :P GIMME!

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    6. So, are you saying they're hot blooded? You better check it and see.

      Sorry, couldn't resist

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    7. I've got a fever of 100.3.

      Er, d'oh!

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    8. Why must they be better than Space Wolves?

      How about just cost efficient for what they do? They serve a different function, after all.

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    9. Because Space Wolves are better at being choppy than the faction renown for being choppy. You can't out-chop the chop.

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    10. Sorry but the Vlyka Fenryka are the Emperor's Executioners and nobody chops heads better than the Executioner. Space Wolves are renowned for being savage hand to hand combat professionals and should be as they are better at chop than 'zerkers who just rage out with no finesse or disciplined skill

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    11. To be an Executioner, it may be as important to follow orders and keep a level head (if just barely) as it is important to chop heads. 'Zerkers are plenty good at chopping heads, it's just that they suck at pretty much anything else. The little tête-à-tête between Russ and Angron on Ghenna was a perfect example: from what I remember, Angron probably could have taken Russ 1V1, except while the WEs weren't paying attention to their Primarch (too busy /raging) Russ was supported by his Wolves, so it's questionable if Angron could have sealed the deal without a metric fuckton of angry beatstick Space Wolves ready to cover their Primarch's back. The irony is that the WE's were good enough in CC to hold their own (as was Angron), but what they really needed is what they'd already lost as a Legion. Angron and the WEs were beyond caring by that point, and Russ chose to leave over throwing his forces into a mindless World Eater meatgrinder.

      So when people say that the Space Wolves were the Emp's Executioners...I mean, fine. But it wasn't because no one else could be "choppy". The Space Wolves, I mean, you could say "go whack that traitor Chapter" and that's probably what they'd do. With the World Eaters and 'Zerkers in general, if they didn't get distracted by blood and skulls on the way there (think Khornate kittens and bloody balls of yarn), they'd get the job done as well. The problem was they were prone to rampage into another (not designated) target, and then another...and then another. They ended up being less a disciplined strike force and more a Legion that you used when collateral damage wasn't a concern and wiping out entire planets/systems was acceptable.

      This spills over into 'Zerker/World Eater design and viability as well. How do you make a force that is decidedly one-dimensional able to compete with forces like Space Wolves who are both CC killy and flexible, without make them completely OP in the CC department?

      The entire argument over who is better than who in the individual marine CC sphere isn't something we can resolve anyways, and those arguments are kind of like the "X versus Y" comic book arguments. The fluff isn't consistent, is fluid and changes over time, not to mention how widely the power of particular factions tends to fluctuate over time. I mean, I still remember when 'Zerkers had 2+ saves, all 'Zerkers could take practically any assault weapon, had Frenzy and chainaxes had a -2 AP mod back when the save system was based on modifiers.

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    12. "without make them completely OP in the CC department?"

      If they've got no shooting then they should OP in the CC department. Actually they don't need to be, but different CC options for standard squads members would be nice, in the same as tactical/vet squads get ranged weapon options. That way you can have squads that are anti-vehicle CC, anti-MC CC, anti-infantry CC or toolkit CC.

      Then the only remaining problem is getting them into combat...;)

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    13. It would make a good Horus Heresy novel to cover the hole incident on Ghenna. See both Vlka Fenryka and World Eaters side of the story. Daniel has pritty much nailed it but with one question left unanswered........ why did the Emperor choose the Vlka Fenryka to be his executioners?

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    14. Because the Wolves of Fenris Execute better than anything in the Universe, they do it executionally well and without question. Who better to deliver the final blow than Fury of Fenris??

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  2. Im afraid CSM need more than a few WD dataslates.

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    1. A great deal more, but if there is more than Khorne, it will be a good start.

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    2. Yeah, because GW totally hasn't been putting rules in White Dwarf first and later combining said dataslates in books later.

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    3. depends how it's done. a few dataslates and 1 or 2 new units was all it took to make Tyranids MUCH better

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    4. ^^ yeah, totally....like you know everyone buys WD....right......sure they do

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    5. Yeah totally...they will never sell any WD....right....unless they put something like, idk, dataslates in them...sure they will

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    6. Yeah totally...they will never sell any WD....right....unless they put something like, idk, dataslates in them...sure they will

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    7. I love when people complained that White Dwarf used to be cool because it had rules in it.

      Then they complain that they have to buy a White Dwarf to get rules.

      GW puts the dataslates on their website anyway, and/or consolidates them into one book.

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    8. ^^ i love how you never fail to be you. the special brand of doogle goodness that bleat's balance and freedom to play the one true way.

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    9. but i do agree. people are pissy regardless what Geedubz do.

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  3. Does anyone else get the feeling that the "standalone" game coming soon might be a remake of Necromunda? The Warhammer app has been talking a lot about the underworld of a hive and yesterday brought up Kal Jericho. Plus all the Black Library stuff surrounding it too. Why would they talk about stuff like that unless they are leading into something?

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    1. We can only hope... though honestly if you miss Necromunda, you should check out Dredd, it's like Necromunda 2.0, except with far better game balance.

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    2. Yeah it'd be cool. But Black Library also re-released all the Blood Bowl novels. I wouldn't read too much into it.

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    3. Infinity is the new necromunda

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    4. @Adam, if only that were the case... Unfortunately though, it's almost nothing like Necromunda. The minis are damn sexy though!

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    5. I love the Kum Motorized. They are stunning models.

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  4. I've always thought that the CSM codex had too many different aspects taken into account, instead of taking a single aspect, allowing all the border aspects to be taken in addition, instead of them being in the codex from the start, like Harliquens, Legion of the Damned and the old Grey Knights. Nowadays, the CSM accounts for Legions, Warbands, Mercenaries and Renegades, instead of the standard CSMs - Legions.

    This would make sense, as it seperates what's essentially not that essential in the grand scheme of things (mercs and stuff) and the actual core (tge Legions).

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    1. At least Renegades have a proper army list now in IA:13 that counts as battle bros with CSM/Daemons, for what it's worth. The rest definitely needs to be sorted out, whatever the result.

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    2. I'm not sure it is as big an issue as people make it out to be. Fundamentally GW has been simplifying the marine books to uniform standards, with chapter tactics and a few specialist units for the individual chapters that have their own book.

      Most of the legions could have their own flavor with rather simple rules changes, ones you could easily add via detachments (think of the flesh tearers getting their own detachment) rather than needing a new book. Specialist units would be great (and as with the nid releases could be released in WD, in the unit box, and in a campaign book) etc.

      Of course I think more supplements would also be awesome, with their wealth of fluff and art they offer the biggest canvas. A new book is unnecessary though.

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  5. On a tenuously related note...

    Image of the new WHFB Khorne character, scar bloodbath (or whatever his name is) is doing the rounds... http://m.imgur.com/a/ykn5b ... not overly keen myself.

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  6. It's going to be a SisterAdMech30kRatmenKnights army on square bases with new old rules called Warspanner Epic Tickles set in the pink and fluffy today!

    It's going to be sooo coooool, I hate it.

    sorry I couldn't help myself.

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    1. Made my day, well at least my morning.

      Thank you.

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    2. seems plausible that this could happen will all the recent BS rumors. i don't see why we wont see sisteradmech30kratmenknights i hear they are releasing it yesterday but advance orders will be avail tomorrow.

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  7. Which is it, though? A supplement, dataslates via White Dwarf, or both? In the release schedule is says CSM supplement, but then no further details are provided for it.

    I imagine it will simply be dataslates via WD, but I still have hope we'll get a book. Worst that I'll be is disappointed; after the Butcherhorde, I don't really expect anything too worthwhile on the tabletop. Not that one weaksauce slate guarantees future failures, so we'll see!

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    1. Butcherhorde was head-scratchingly bad.

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    2. The special rules are cool enough, but the unit requirements are just bananas.

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    3. Also, if it was to be a true book release, I think we'd have seen some leaks by now given the way the past releases have gone.

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    4. Butcherhorde is not only awesome rules-wise but the amount of threat it pushes on your opponent is incredible. If you're running berzerkers in any other way in high point games you're doing it wrong.

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    5. Dataslates only.
      Steve the Warboss has never been very reliable. My guess is that he's just got his terminology wrong here.

      How do I know?
      We're talking about Chaos Marines. Whenever you talk about chaos marines, go with the answer that is most disappointing.

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    6. It's possiable we'll be getting a campaign book, perhaps a chaos attack on a forge world? give a book filled with chaosy goodness to start with, then release codex Admech and the starter box (complete with the LE admech minis. that'll sell like hotcakes) and go with the third campaign book that gives some supplemental stuff for admech

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    7. I agree with Ian. Bring a butcherhorde and a cad with 3 land raiders. Butcherhorde coming out of land raiders is horrifying.

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    8. @Brian: Please don't get your hopes up for stuff like this. There's no rumor anywhere to support that kind of silly speculation. Remember. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

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    9. Unless you are playing adlance or mech guard or serpents, then your choppy marines get squished into jelly, ignored, or slaughtered en mass ;)

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    10. Brian hope leads to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u85wVlFBBW8

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  8. lol Butcherhorde. In what bizarro universe is 4 squads of berserkers and 4 squads of CSM good? Its a gimmick dataslate that's useful vs. what exactly? large groups of MEQ that promise not to fire overwatch? lol lets be realistic here, that dataslate is not competitive or good except for fluff purposes. Im guessing no one here has seen it used, or will ever see it used. Theres a reason for that.

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    1. 4 min squads (20 berserkers) is 420 points. 4 min barebones CSM squads (20 marines) is 300 points. Kharne is 160 points. Thats 880 points of CC MEQ. S4. Now buy two 230 point Chaos Land Raiders. 1310 points. Come on.

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    2. That still makes it mediocre at best, and if you run a bunch of bare-bones MSU, you're not going to have any punch when push comes to shove on the table.

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    3. Dirge casters on the land raiders eliminates the overwatch problem.

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    4. Unless a single lucky lascannon shot causes an explosion while you're still in your deployment zone.

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    5. Point is, Butcherhorde straight up sucks.

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    6. Ok. I've used it multiple times to great effect. It's quite obviously a dataslate for very high point games. Not understanding that is willful ignorance at best. Try thinking outside the box and the csm codex and *most* of its dataslates are quite good.

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    7. That said, the idea of putting them in landraiders is laughably bad. Chaos is a great codex but the lists that I see people come up with for them are almost always ridiculously bad. Like, to the point where in my play group "chaos guy" means someone who can't play 40k worth a crap.

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  9. GW's support of 40k Chaos is so laughably bad, I get the impression the company doesn't know what the hell to do with them anymore. *Identity Crisis* is too kind a term for the state Chaos SMs are in at the moment.

    GW needs to bring back the distinct flavour of each Chaos God back to the vehicles and units, like they had in Epic Space Marine and Realm of Chaos. That's when Chaos actually had some character. This may be a major reason why many of us clamour to have the distinct Legions brought back, because when we had Legion rules, even if not very effective on the table, it gave our models and armies a lot of identity.

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    1. Agreed. It's pretty painful when one of the biggest bad guys in the galaxy is reduced to a laughing stock by the people that want to play them the most.

      It was so painful I actually just moved on to Space Marines, since they're always up to date on the latest edition at least :P

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  10. Does no one care to mention that this guy has been spot on in his predictions, or am I missing something? He broke all these basically correct release dates or were some of these mentioned after the fact? I am almost glad that the HH most likely isn't coming this summer. My wallet can take no more...

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    1. I don't know where Steve the Warboss gets his sources, but they're most likely from people that have already submitted rumors :I

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  11. Does no one care to mention that this guy has been spot on in his predictions, or am I missing something? He broke all these basically correct release dates or were some of these mentioned after the fact? I am almost glad that the HH most likely isn't coming this summer. My wallet can take no more...

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  12. My Thousand Sons could definitely use some attention from GW, but I can't help but notice there's an Asdrubael Vect sized hole in that release schedule. What ever happened to that release? The info came from a good source...

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    1. One of the more frustrating thing about TSons, A Thousand Sons and the Ahriman books are some of the best books from BL. Why cant we catch a break somewhere? No Prospuro book from FW, no new CSM codex in sight, a WD supplement/addon is our only hope!

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    2. FW's Prospero was set back by 7th ed's changed psychic rules requiring them to change their plans. So it's still coming, but after Calth.

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    3. And it pains me to hear that. I was looking forward to seeing Prospero burning sooner.

      Prospero will be brilliant for both the Vlka Fenryka and the basterd sons of Magnus.

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