Well, its very much confirmed that the Astra Militarum is the new Imperial Guard codex, leaving Militarum Tempestus as a codex supplement. This is exciting, as the leaks apparently come from the upcoming White Dwarf, and we are looking at a very cool and fast set of release for the Imperial Guard and their allies.


Please take these as rumors, as we have not had an official announcement yet.

here is a link to some of the leaks running around right now as the flood gates have been opened.
http://millests.blogspot.com/

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  1. the new storm troopers fit exactly like that rumor detail reference of what the would look like ... it was like in jan dec or nov ... when I heard about that ... the green beret caps ... the optional inquisitor ... the bunch of gear and accessories ... on a preference ... man I wished they would stick with the kasrkin look ... maybe is the paint job and the nostalgia of missing the kasrkin full helmeted heads

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    1. Better buy Kasrkin while you can. I personally kitbashed a few of my own kasrkin like storm troopers using parts from several FW kits. Expensive as hell, but they look nice. I kind of like the new guys because they are something different and I always like it when the Imperial Guard has more diversity to it.

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    2. "the green beret caps"

      To be pedantic. You do know that the green berets are called that because they wear "Green BERETS" right? So you could simply have called them berets ;)

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  3. These look so good. I'm loving the crazy Dino DeLaurentis stylings.

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  4. The Taurox has the option to be customised for Militarum Tempestus/Astra Militarum. What's the difference between the two, do you think?

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    1. My guess, and I just pulled this outta my ass when reading your post, is it'll be like the difference between a Rhino and Razorback

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    2. One's an RV, the other a shitty home. :)

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    3. I would guess that they are planning on a codex supplement called Militarum Tempestus. As for what that actually entails, it is anyone's guess, perhaps it is like a theatre command for Segmentum Tempestus with a few specialized formations. Would be weird that they would use Tempestus instead of the largest (Ultima) one surrounding the eye of terror (Obscurus), one that has a history of revolting (Pacificus) or the one which Holy Terra itself is (Solar). Honestly Segmentum Tempestus is like Hufflepuff House.

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    4. Because it loosely means "Storm Warriors" or some such. Its basically a new name for storm troopers they can slap copyrights on

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    5. The taurox looks like a not as cool tauros from forgeworld, which in turn resembles the halo warthog. The treads look dumb

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    6. I really wish they would've saved the design of the taurox for an adeptus arbites mini dex. The vehicle looks perfect for them for some reason. Although an army of shotguns sounds kind of meh.

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    7. Alex Button: That was my thought, but then there's a fair amount of background on goings-on in Segmentum Tempestus, and it's probably worth some development where the IoM isn't currently getting its teeth kicked in.

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  5. There seem to be two codex pictures floating about: one for the Astra Militarum, and the other for the Militarum Tempestus. Are we expecting these to be one codex and one supplement? Two stand-alone codexes?

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    1. Based off rumours and images, the Astra Militarum will be the New Imperial Guard codex. While the Militarium Tempestus will be a supplement for Stormtroopers and perhaps other things as of right now.

      Regardless, I really can't wait for this release. Its gonna be awesome!

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    2. No, the Miltarum Tempestus book clearly has Codex stated up top of the cover, which supplements don't have.
      If it was a supplement it would be listed as such underneath the lower title 'Militarum Tempestus'.
      Plus it's listed as a Codex in it's product description, with no mention of the word supplement.
      Whereas for example Crimson Slaughter was listed a supplement in it's product description.

      Or at least, that's how things worked last week... I mean, this week... wot?

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    3. It means Codex: Militarum Tempestus doesn't require Codex: Astra Militarum to use.

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    5. @Rob Turcotte: That's not a given. The "Codex" Crimson Slaughter is still a supplement tht require Codex Chaos Space Marines as far as I know

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  6. I'm really liking the Militarum Tempestrus as foot soldiers for a Knight Household

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    1. I was thinking that exact thing! I’ve got a Knight noble house started, and I’m thinking these Militarum Tempestus models will make great Knight Household Men-at-Arms or something.

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    2. There's nothing Knightly about them though. They look pretty modern/scifi.
      Maybe if you mixed in some Bretonnian Men-at-arms /Peasant type bits...

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    3. Its all in the breastplate, and often you only need one core element to tie them together, paint some heraldry and they would go together nicely

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    4. Their armor is more angular, ornately detailed. If you think about it there’s nothing particularly medieval about an Imperial Knight either other than some basic aesthetics.

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    5. The taurox is covered of halberds, just like the knights...

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    6. Halberds are a medieval weapon. ….Do you mean tabards? As in heraldry?

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  7. Wow unreal model. I like the idea of a truck on treads. Expecially for some ork parts.

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    1. +1! The Taurox has battlewagon written all over it

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    2. But its the Attack Track from motu :(
      GW just changed some details

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    3. Good thinking! I was just thinking that looks awful and totally out of place with other IG veichles but it would be a great base for a looted was on.

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    4. Yeah. Too bad it's an IG release then, not an Ork one...

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    5. the price tag for it isnt that bad even, maybe i will buy one to scavenge or kitbash it :)

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    6. Lots of conversion potential. Can't wait :)

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  8. The torox looks like a "befor" picture for a battle wagon. Which is a good thing.

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  9. The tracks are too small and give it more of a toy look than nescessary.

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  10. Is the taurox vehicle kit able to make an imperial steam tank too.? Looks like first kit to span two game types :)

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    1. Nah. But I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to convert.

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    2. First kit for both games? *cough* chaos daemons *cough*

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    3. Didn't see the irony then Daniil?, Ofc this isn't meant for empire and I chose to ignore the daemons.probably was other stuff before daemons anyway that was for both lol

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  11. Wait, how do we have this, and yet no leaks of the rumored Chaos Chosen?

    Crap. Could those rumors have been totally off? This WD says the products will be available for pre-order on the 29th.

    So.. We got this weekend of the 7th with the Helbrute pre-orders...
    Then next weekend will be the 15th, presumably with Chosen preorders...
    Then after that is the 22nd, which I suspect would be Astra Miltarum preorders...
    And finally should be the 29th, which are the Militarum Tempestus pre-orders...

    Right? That should be how it goes... right?

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    1. This is what I'm assuming, but I guess time will tell.

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    2. The rumor is that chosen would be a "filler release", just like the helbrute.

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  12. Also, something about that Commissar's glove reminds me of the Medic from TF2...

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  13. More picks of the truck here: http://jerryrushing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/garbage-truck-2_full.jpeg

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    1. That made me laugh. . .and then I laughed again because the truck is from Little Falls, MN (birthplace of Charles Lindbergh and site of a 6th grade field trip.)

      But seriously, that's a pretty tired paint scheme - all white, with small blue lettering?

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  14. I can't wait for the new imperial guard codex woot

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  15. I still HATE that Ork RV they have the storm troopers driving around in.

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  16. Wow that transport looks lame! Good for ork conversions but no thanks I'll stick with Chimeras

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  17. The thing I am most excited about the new storm troopers for is the semi fuedal look to their armor/breastplates. They will make amazing looking Imperial Knight attendants/squires whatever you want to call soldiers from a knight world.

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  19. Better buy some Vostroyans while I still can then

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  20. Pointless name change, lovely Tempestus Scions and that Taurox is one of the ugliest models GW have ever made - the love child of an Ork Battlewagon and a rubbish truck, which has been beaten with the ugly stick at birth

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    1. They can copyright the new name so it's not entirely pointless.

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    2. I am aware of that, but all the fluff and novels refer to Imperial Guard so it is entirely dumb to change it. Especially when it won't impact on 3rd party providers really

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    3. I'd be willing to bet that the imperial guard are still the imperial guard in the same way that the Adeptus Astartes are also space marines, it's just the high gothic name for the whole organisation.

      Also that tank is growing on me having seen a better pic (never a good idea to form opinions based on blurry wd images) and the troops look to be genuinely excellent additions.

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    4. I would assume Imperial gaurd are still the imperial gaurd in the fluff.

      Astra Militarum is probably the High Gothic and official designation of the imperial armed forces as a whole, of which the imperial gaurd is a part of.

      No idea why people seem to think the terminology "Imperial Gaurd" is being removed from the fluff...

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    5. @magriller: Fluff and books also refer to "Adeptus Astartes" and the codex is still Space Marines... goes both ways

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  21. Codex Starmy is on the way, but before you get that, here's Codex Stormy...touch'o'class GW, touch'o'class...

    Nice snow mobile, I guess.

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    1. Nah, this is the redneck combat truck. GW went a head and put it up on blocks for them.

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    2. It is one of the ugliest things i have ever seen come out of gw. And entirely impractical

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    3. @Stephen, not entirely impractical...

      http://gajitz.com/upping-the-inefficiency-quotient-2-insane-hummer-tanks/

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    4. Fore Shame, I think you found their inspiration.

      I dont like the vic at the moment, but who knows what will happen when/if I get my hands on one. I think I would rather it be a halftrack, and if I get one I may make it so.

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  22. Transport looks like f.ck!

    Stand it besides Leman, Hydra, Baneblade etc and it looks simply wrong, to 'steampunky'.

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  23. I see some definite Lost and the Damned potential in those Stormies, especially as one appears to be wearing a Vraks Traitor's helmet. Hopefully they can all be outfitted like that and I can have Veterans for my Traitor Guard (or as I shall now be calling them: my Traitor Starmies!).

    This idea also rather saves the Taurox for me. It doesn't look very much in line with the other IG/AM/MT/PDQ/IBM/BBC tanks so it will look a bit more fitting for a non-Imperial Guard/Ad Hoc Ergo Proctor Hoc Militarum army.

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  24. Taurox is fugly. Maybe if I could loot the treads to make a halftrack trukk, and orky up a looted wagon by kitbashing the rest somehow, it could work.

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  25. Dumbest looking vehicle I've seen yet. Totally doesn't fit with the rest of the vehicles. Should have been a BTR-80 style Russian wheeled APC, or an old M3 halftrack.

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  26. Wtf is that ugly piece of crap? Chimeras for the win, never thought i'd say that.

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  27. Nostalgia over Kasrkin? We finally have storm troopers wearing berets like the good old days!!!

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    1. Only lacking proton accelerator packs now lol.

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  29. Dont moan on the Taurox, it looks good for us Orks :)

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  30. I noticed something on the leaked Pics of the StormTroopers.
    There is a Standard, which means STORM TROOPER COMMAND Squad. I don't remember it's actually possible to kit the Command Squad in StormTrooper stuff.
    This could mean a lot of things:
    - StormTrooper Platoon, with Command Storm Squad.
    - HQ Storm Trooper Command Squad. (Which would also mean possibility to maybe have StormTroopers in Troops with specific HQ, and that would be really cool)

    About the Tempestus, I'm thinking it will be StormTrooper + Bullgryn Assigned transport. (This looks like a Land Raider Equivalent in IG version, but Strange Way to dissembark to assault)

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    2. The text "Militarum Tempestus Command Squad" next to the picture of the boxed set is also a dead giveaway that there will be command squads for the Militarum Tempestus :)

      The ice cream truck is called Taurox btw.

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  31. The Vehicle reminds me of Poochy in The Simpsons.

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  32. The Taurox looks a little like an MRAP or MATV from Afghanistan and Iraq except with tracks instead of road wheels. That and Bebop and Rocksteady from TMNT did some modifications to it. With such a high center of gravity compared to the rest of the IG equipment I can't imagine being in a vehicle rollover with a bunch Ogryns inside...

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  33. I'm severely dissapointed at the Astra Militarum direction. Guard aren't noble knights from house whatever defending the Imperium. Guard are regiments of ordinary men, whether it be highly trained Cadians or almost superhuman Catachans, and all the regiments in between, thrown against wretched xenos and the Archenemy and are expected to win by any means necessary, and Commissars are there to reinforce that sentiment. I'm going to reserve judgement until the codex releases, but so far I'm extremely dissapointed. I was just hoping for an update with some changes and new plastic stormies and/or kasrkin, with plastic updates to all the other regiments to, and hell since they are supplement happy, they could release different supplements for the varipus regiments to make them more unique. I was not expecting this crap that undermines what Guard have been.

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    1. Im not sure what youre so up in arms about - all they did was release new stormtrooper models and an expansion that allows one to play an al stormtrooper force.

      The new vehicle is really stupid though.

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    2. Storm Troopers aren't ordinary Guard, though. They're the Guard's and the Inquisition's elite special forces units who are trained from their youth in the Schola Progenium, which is a division of the Ecclesiarchy. Typically they're the orphaned sons of Imperial officials and military officers (i.e., they're "scions" or descendents of high-ranking martyrs).

      Given the Schola Progenium's ties to the Ecclesiarchy and the fact that Storm Troopers are the sons of high-ranking officials, the new models' semi-medieval look matches the fluff pretty well and is a nice link between pragmatic Cadian-style uniforms and the gothic style of Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy units.

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    3. True, and if all this is just pertaining to Storm Troopers, then thats fine, heck it fits in the fluff because of Kasrkin, The Cadians had their own breed of Storm Troopers.But if this kind of style/theme transfers to the rest of the army, then that'd be dumb. I guess I'm just really confused on why we are getting all these rumors about a supplement/minidex and hardly anything about the actual codex

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    4. My guess is that GW designed the Militarum Tempestus for maximum sales; i.e., they were made to work as a standalone force that can ally with any number of Imperial armies. The fact that their fluff places them outside of the Guard's standard chain of command already supported this. This is exactly how GW approached the Knights. Their codex may allow you to take a Primary Detachment of Imperial Knights, but the codex seems to treat that option as an afterthought.

      Once the Tempestus Scions have had their time in the spotlight, the Astra Militarum codex will certainly have its turn. Presumably, the Scions will have an entry in the Guard's new codex.

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  34. While I agree that the transport looks bad, I think people aren't noticing the gun on top, is that a punisher gatling cannon or an assault cannon? It looks more like a punisher cannon (hard to tell though, there's a glare in exactly the wrong spot) but if it is, it might just be worth it to use something with that kind of heavy ordinance and transport capacity in an IG army.

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  35. http://voxludi.net/groupes/warhammer-40000-les-jeux-de-figurines/forum/topic/codex-astra-militarum-militarum-tempestus/#post-26592

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  36. Or we cud wait until the dreamforge heavy apc comes out and have a nice lookin miniature. It wud be typical of gw tho that sumthin that bad lookin will have superb rules.

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    1. Totally agree!

      Dreamforge are showing us just what can be produced in plastic for future troops.
      The APC has the option to seat troops within it and comes with different weapon options too. Looks fantastic!

      They are exposing GW for the out of touch lazy and complacent that they have become.

      The Eisenkern troops box set is stunning,especialy when you conssider that this is Dreamforges first attempt with multi-part plastics.

      I say this as a former GW fan. I live in Nottingham just a short walk from GW World HQ and factory. I am in my mid forties and have collected since Citadel Miniatures (Pre GW) released it's first plastic kits- Skeletons and Space Marines.

      GW is moving further and further from it's true roots and it is costing it more money.

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    2. I completely disagree with that, I'm of a similar age and have been in or around the hobby for just as long.

      GW have spent huge amounts on their plastics tech and are coming out with incredibly detailed kits that also have a huge range of options in the box, they're also, given the number of components, poseability and compatibility with other kits, actually of a similar price and value to Dreamforge and others and far better than most in terms of design and detail.

      Personally, aside from the occasional misstep, I would say that GW are going through a positive golden age in the quality they're producing in both miniatures and publications (digital and print) and I hope it carries on for a long time to come.

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    3. I think you are blinded by their light Ben,

      The quality of the actual plastic GW now use isn't a patch on the earlier kits.

      The detail on the Eisenkern stuff is on par with GW and doesn't suffer the irritation of being covered in endless skulls, icons and other needles crap. The hours I've spent removing all that nonsense is staggering. These are supposedly soldiers of one description or another not christmas trees!
      ( Less is more- FW Drop troops are superb because of this! )


      Don't get me started on the value for money!!!

      Dreamforge are starting out and it s inevitable that they will have to cover higher costs as part of the process of developing it's kits.

      GW have had decades and all we now see is less in their boxes as far as true value. Just look at the soon to be releases Stormtroopers ( Militarum Blah blah ???)
      5 models!!!!
      You can wax lyrical all you want about extra options BUT in real terms you are getting less. The true value of a kit is how many figures you can make - ACTUAL BODIES not "x amount of packs hats guns etc' because without the actual torsos' all you have is a pile of spares.

      10 man sets ??? Remember them? Back when you actually knew GW was worth investing your money.

      I would add, that the GW's sell on how many components you get in a box, is a bit of a smoke and mirrors act to try and make it seem like you are getting more value when you are- in 'real terms' getting less!

      After all- It worked on you Ben!

      I hope e see more companies like Dreamforge who will expose the lazy worn out dogma we hear and see from GW.

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    4. How we decide to look at value is up to us.

      Having 13 heads in one 5 man kit, means that when I get my second kit I can model them differently and won't have them look the same.
      Also having heads spare means I can add them to other compatible kits, which maybe come with one head (bikes for instance).

      I value bits very high, because it makes my models more interesting.

      Hell the Tactical and Sternguard boxes both come with an auspex, neither kit can take that as an option, but the commander can, so you now have a bit to give it to him,

      As for your hate for skulls and icons on models. That's your issue, and is not a good argument for why GW models suck.

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    5. I'm with Ben. The quality of the stuff we're getting now is leaps ahead of the old models that we used to get. You've have to be fairly blinkered not to be able to see that. We get loads more options in most new boxes and today's plastics have eclipsed some of my favourite older metal minitures.

      Wolf Guard & Deathwing Terminators vs the old Space Wolf &
      Deathwing Terminators, trust me I have both and the plastics blow the old ones away...I just wish that GW would redo that old Terminator Captain with the fist grenade launcher.

      Vehicles are miles better, I can put my old Mk1 dome-turret Predator next to my current Rhino/Razorback/Predator and the old one is great for it's time but almost embarassing now.

      Blinded by the light, this worked on you, blah blah. You have to pay for progress. Yes, I remember when I could pick up 3 metal Marines or 2 metal Terminators in a blister for ~£5 and now it's 5 Terminators for £25. Beter quality, more details, more parts, more options. Games Workshop price their boxes on a combination of how many boxes they expect a person to buy + the amount of plastic used + how much they think they can get away with. This can be seen with units like Tac Marines where they're £25 for ten because they're designed to be the backbone of a basic Marine force but Scouts are £15 for five and Assault Marines are £20 for five because GW expect people to buy less so they're comparitively more expensive. Same with Terminators.

      Apparently GW have experiemented with the pricing of some units, I think it was various cavalry that they dropped the price of to see if people bought more and hardly anyone did. The higher price wasn't preventing many people from buying them so they just put the price up again to regain the profit margin.

      The value of a kit is not a static thing, it's personal and differs from person to person. What one person gets from a box may be different to another. Someone wants more bodies, another wants better detail and more options instead.

      You say Dreamforge are great; I say they are bland generic sci-fi tosh. The Storm Troopers seem to be cheaper on the surface but buying the accessories to go with ramps the price up to above GW prices. Their Leviathan looks like a boring hash of a Contemptor crossed with a Terminator and isn't much cheaper than an actual Contemptor or a Knight. Some of us actually love the 'gothic' detailing on GW's stuff as it gives them a ton of character and is a common design link. If you want blander stuff then knock yourself out but don't bash GW for giving people what they want: high-quality detailed models for a luxury hobby.

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    6. I stand by my comments and you show your fanboy mentality through and through.

      Your comment re- Dreamforge is laughable and clearly shows the fact that you have an opinion born out of subconcious prejudice and blind ignorance having never seen any of their plastics in your hands.

      A heads up for you in the future don't comment on anything you have no real experience of cos it makes you come across as an idiot fanboy and not someone who has anything realistic to add to the debate.

      Had to laugh at your name too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,People who know me actually describe me as a mauler cos I am a big old biker complete with shaven head and massive beard and scars from being a bit of a nutter in my youth I look a cross between a bouncer and an hells angel if you will.

      It surprises people that someone like me collects little plastic figures - but a doctor told me along time ago to get ahobby to calm me down a bit...and decades later here I am.

      Seriously you lost any credibility with the Dreamforge dig. Your ignorance speaks volumes- I guess you hate Puppets War miniatures, Victoria Miniatures...etc etc etc Having never held any of them

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    7. @Mauler

      To add further to my point-

      I may disagree with Ben but I have respect for his opinion, due to the fact that he stuck to sharing his knowledge and perspective of what he was familiar with, rather than resorting to a childish snipe at people who prefer simpler looking miniatures, not dripping with icons etc.

      There perhaps reveals your mindset and level of maturity-

      Children tend to be impressed by glitter baubles and tinsel hanging off everywhere. Where as, us adults prefer the understated subtlety of less is more!

      You call Dreamforges Eisenkern troops generic sci-fi tosh!

      Yet the best GW could come up for the generic human soldier was the Cadians, who look ridiculous with their out of place motorrcyle or pilots helmets and body armour that looks out of sink with the style of the British army frock coat and this combined with absolutely no bodily protection from the waist down.

      At least FW Elysians were designed by someone who knew about balancing a complete concept, in order to create a much more adult friendly aesthetic rather than appealing solely to young boys.

      Dreamforge are starting out and have done fantasticaly in such a short space of time, and all of this without the years of experience of former GW staff.

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    8. @theautlemir

      You clearly have jumped to conclusions X and Y without fully reading what I am saying.

      I am a forty something who lives close to GW World HQ in Nottingham'

      I own some of the rarest kits Citadel Miniatures have produced back in the days before GW came into being.

      I have a great many kits and Codexs signed by their creators and designers.

      I didn't say anything about GW miniatures sucking ( Tho some are not that good-in my eyes )

      I have spent a fortune on bits since back when GW sold them direct. I have, on occasions, waited at the factory to get the bits direct from the packing warehouse. YES their customer service was that good back then.

      I stopped gaming and stated creating my own conversions and became a collector instead.

      My main point is that even those of us who want to create our own unique figures can buy accessories, or so it used to be,.without being charged a premium for bits in a basic figure box. Choice is what is missing.

      I would suggest in the future that you actually read what someone is saying before jumping to your own wrong conclusions.

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  37. so happy with this release, less money for me to spend, only like the storm troopers.

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  38. Well, I thought that hideous chaos- Lord of skulls vehicle, with its awful aesthetic and ridiculous tracks was the worst vehicle GW had ever produced, but we a new challenger for that title- With all the looks of a twelve year old's first design project.

    It looks like a military version of a portable toilet or a changing room for the fashion conscious guardsmen or knight.

    GW lower the bar yet again.

    I feel sorry for all the Guard players who have been waiting for the new Guard kits only to be presented with a lot less for more money.

    Even the those who have been waiting a long time for the Storm Troopers are being short changed, being available as a kit of five rather than the more realistic ten figures that many of us would have come to expect.

    NOT good enough GW and it's about time you knew it!

    Still! Dreamforge and Victoria miniatures have some very good alternatives

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    1. Sounds like a sales pitch. A very negative, bash the competition sales pitch for Dreamforge and Victoria. Very crude...

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    2. live in Nottingham a short walk to GW World HQ and being in my mid forties own the very first plastics produced by Citadel .(Pre-GW) Been a fan for a v ery long time BUT absolutely hate GW has now become.

      There was a time value for money and an understanding of the general world of gaming and we came to expect high standards, good service and a desire to promote gaming far and wide and to even embrace others who wanted to design and expand Warhammer and 40k beyond GW realm. (Hence the guys at Forge world getting the nod to design and add their own take on it. )

      Move on to now, and we see GW going after the "little-man" in court instead of encourage them to work as a pseudo partner and value the extra publicity gained by an outside company designing for Warhammer or 40K.

      Add to this, the ridiculous policy of sales restrictions across the globe and forbidding companies in certain countries to sell via the internet. (See the rise of bits sellers- ALSO you used to be able to buy the bits direct from GW. They have now lost that market, having once owned it, and this just goes to show the total absurdity and the lunatic way this company has been run for some time now.

      Perhaps, if it had have stuck to what it did best, instead of trying to be all things to all men. It would not be losing it's stock value and it's loyal older customers in droves.

      GW is becoming a bit of a joke and a bad word to some.

      Being a collector I have spent thousands on their stuff but think long and hard these days before giving them my money.
      Forge World on the other hand still get far too much of my money but have always been worth it and have always catered for it's customers in the same way since it's first days.

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    3. @jaydee - choice is never a bad thing.

      @wolfgang - I feel your pain, brother.

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    4. @wolfgang

      I'm no blind fanboy and I don't always agree with all of gw's business decisions but they do have a right to defend their ip and in many cases (not all) they are right to do so, Chapterhouse for example who blatantly trade off the gw look and feel without any form of licensing deal and only get away with it due to the way the US legal system works by the looks of things.

      You talk about them as if they're some monstrous company which quite frankly is crazy, as far as I know gw have never destroyed habitats, displaced native populations, abused their workers, used child labour or any number of other atrocities that truly bad companies commit.

      They've made some dodgy business and legal decisions for sure but nothing malicious or illegal that I've heard of and having compared many competitors minis with theirs I still say that gw produce the best of them by quite some distance in most cases, you clearly disagree but that's the joy of opinions based on aesthetics we can all have our own and debate them till the Rhinox come home.

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    5. By the way when I say gw I'm also referring to fw and bl as they are all the same company.

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    6. Ben.
      You should perhaps talk directly to the FW guys some day and they will put you straight about quite a few things behind the scenes re GW and in particular the myth that FW is merely GW.

      It started as a separate venture and has developed into the symbiotic partnership you see today. FW has always had licence to go in which ever direction it's gifted creators shooe hence the reason that there are masses of models available for certain lines and very few for others.

      GW and FW are coming together more due to the abysmal finecast experiment. FW guys still scratch their heads as to why GW didn't employ their expertise instead of trying to go in a separate direction.

      You may see FW handling some of the finecast replacements in the non too distant future.

      You will find FW was adopted by GW for financial reasons and the ownership as it were is for such purposes only and does not exist in reality. But you would have to know the guys to be privy to that.

      Back to GW.

      It is the fact that they have sold out on he the small people with their we are bigger than you mentality.
      They do not care about the gaming world as a whole any more, it is about how they can bring in more money asap so as to play with too many irons in too many fires.

      The global gaming community made them millions and instead of this being recognised by them, we now see their patronage being flouted-

      The codexes are more about sales strategies than improving the game- hence we see less troops in boxes and more extraneous crap that will need another purchase in order to be able to use the options in the first kit.

      People deserve better than that

      I still collect GW kits but will give credit where it is due and there are companies out there who know the value of their customers.


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    7. @wolfgang

      No matter the finer points of the gw/fw partnership, fw carry gw copyrights on all their products, use gw's ip exclusively and I would presume that the profits are not theirs alone and are subsumed by the company as a whole.
      Therefore they are for all intents and purposes a gw company and should be regarded as such to my mind.

      I'm a massive fan of fw myself and they really do produce the best kits out there, those kits however are generally speaking more for the experienced modeller than the novice which is where gw's excellent plastics come in, especially the starter kits such as dv which have an incredible level of detail for a push fit beginner set.

      Also owning a large amount of recent kits from both fw and gw I can say that there are many cases where the gw quality has reached that of fw's but using the much more convenient medium of plastic which is something I did not think I would see quite frankly and shows that their massive investment in the tech has paid off.

      I personally love the extra options in the boxes which provide huge scope for individualising a force and creating variety that just isn't possible with most other companies.
      I also love the variety and extra background that the vast number of publications are giving us these days and the quality of the print publications are truly excellent in my opinion.
      Quite frankly unless you're some ultra competitive tournament player who has to own all the rules to compete then you need as little or as much as you want or can afford, that can be as little as the rulebook one codex and a few units to a full blown Apoc force with allies and the rest.
      My point is nobody's forced into buying everything but gw is a company and company's need to make money and so they will try different strategies to make that cash, whether you do or do not want to buy into that is entirely up to the individual.
      Personally I like their products and the direction they're going in and I'm not about to apologise for that.

      Oh and don't get me wrong I'm not having a go at other companies and competition is mostly a good thing but for me gw along with fw and bl do it better for now and due to that I want to see them do well because I believe they deserve to and I'd like them to carry on making great products.

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    8. I tend to agree, firing out a 'codex' a month at 30 quid a pop isn't the most efficient of ways to disseminate rules for new models, but it probably is the most lucrative that they think they can get away with.

      I miss White Dwarf.

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    9. Ben,
      We probably agree more than I come across as doing on here mate.

      GW is not evil incarnate and it still gets my money and all this despite I have not gamed in over 10 years.

      I love FW and spend most of my cash with them these days. ( Even if I hadn't have got to know the guys personally I would still support them fully. SO my problem with GW is not just about money- it is a matter of principle, and in my humble opinion we do not get the same commitment as long term customers as we used to come to expect from a company who are fortunate to have the likes of us old timers who have stuck with them for decades and the thousands of pounds it has brought them.

      FW has been true to us all from the outset and still is and yes- they do set the standard for the industry in my opinion.

      I am a huge fan of Mark Mondragon's company Dreamforge and see them as the correct way to offer good quality plastics these days.

      Basic 10 man squad box or a 20 man squads are reasonably priced and can be added to by purchasing a dedicated accessories kit that has a very good value for weapons heads, arms and transport. You have box sets of heavy weapons teams too and as such you can put together a decent looking basic army for a lot less than GW.

      It is a shame that a new company has to show the way to the old hand with regards to true value of what they are selling.

      I don't expect you to appologise about liking GW. I wasn't having a dig at yourself. Afteral we both have spent a long time in the hobby. I just see the new face of GW in a less favourable light and am still pround the a small company in Nottingham owned the world of gaming for a long time and I argue for it to continue especialy when I visit the US and listen to people beat up on GW having known bugger all about it or it's rich history and dedication.

      I am still a fan, and the new chaos hellbrute kit will be converted into a tank tracked chaos robot ala Terminator as soon as I get my paws on it!

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  39. I don't care how it looks or smells, I am so freaking excited about the new dex + a probable focus on Stormtroopers! My dreams are coming true... you can judge me, I have no life!

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  40. Need 3 points off a model and plus one to the hot shot rifle strength and that should sort storm troopers out, leman russes move and fire and I'll be happy currently sponsons are a joke with ordinance

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  41. I will now refer to the Taurox as the "Mystery Machine". I wonder if I can find a 28mm version of Scooby Doo and the gang?

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    1. @cluegiver: Yes, you can!

      http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=gang-and-dog~hfn016&category=miniatures~modern-non%252dcoms-%2F-civilians

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  42. Why would the IG book be larger than the current SM book? Current SM Book covers several chapters of Space Marines. Also, could it be that in an attempt to save some money GW has shrunk the codex size?

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