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Important Information About the Changes to 9th Edition Fantasy



Yesterday we had a "you had better sit down" moment with the rumors coming off of Warseer. 9th edition is changing, and the Endtimes are the catalyst for these changes in the background and future of the game. However, its not just the background that is changing, releases and how they come about are about to be changed. Armies from 8th edition, from the Endtimes, and future releases, will all be valid, leaving no one out.

As always these are still considered rumors. The source is stepping in to reveal some insight to the new changes that are coming, to help alleviate and correct some misconceptions with yesterdays rumors about the massive changes coming to 9th edition Warhammer Fantasy.

Take your time with these, as there is a lot to absorb. I also want to thank the source for stepping in here.

via a very solid source on Faeit 212
Let me give you some confirmation:
The setting is being completely overhauled - true.
The concept of a huge chunks of the world in a sea similar to the warp from 40k - true.
Faction reduction to 6 - true


As for how it interacts with the current rules.
9th edition takes place after the sundering that brought about from the End Times.

So for the purposes of compatibility, you can use your 8th edition hardback book, representing a section of the culture that hasn't been horrifically changed by the End Times (Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere).

You can use End Times rules/concepts, representing a section that is still being torn apart.

You can use the new, post-end times rules to represent what is "current."


All the books (again, with the caveat that older books may not be optimal for the new core rules [but truthfully the core rules aren't changing wildly, like 5th to 6th edition 40k, really more of a tidied up 8th edition with a brand new setting]) are designed to be compatible.

Support will be towards the new book, new setting, however, with End Times being in the past.  Viable, but not current.

Expect armies to have fewer units in their core books, which will be heavily focused on the fluff for where they are now, what they've been doing in the centuries immediately following the sundering.  This will create a more "balanced" pool as they will be rapidly produced and released (consider a scale even somewhat faster than what we've had for 40k these past few years).


These will then be expanded on with supplements, not intended as money-grabs (as I am sure they will be received by the majority of your readers), but more as guided hands to acknowledge deficiencies in books, or even "global meta" changes.  The first time that Games Workshop will be openly acknowledging things that need changes.

These units will typically get white dwarf rules treatments heralding the release in hardback of all of the new units from the previous month(s), for a new setting expansion, which will pit several of the races together (representing a collision).

As these expansions are not permanent in the world, so too will these models not be.  They are intended to only get one template injection mold life-run, the same as the books will be printed only once in hardback, then delayed paperback.

They will of course remain legal throughout all of 9th, they will just be more limited eventually, the same as the end time models will not be available forever, the same as XYZ model is no longer available (just with a shorter life span than previous experienced).  I mean... you can't get albion models anymore either, but that campaign was before people whined on the internet, so I guess that's why no one's complaining.

This will allow for more new models, as contrary to common belief, the storage and rejuvenation of these templates takes a lot of resources which can be instead dedicated to new ones.


On the topic of round bases.  The latest version I saw used round bases, but units had the option of ranking up to receive the typical bonuses.  To rank up using round bases, it is intended to use new movement trays which have circular cuts to hold the bases of the appropriate size.

Nothing stops you from (and in many ways you are encouraged to) maintain unit formation the entire game.  But you don't have to.  Note that throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy, changing width/depth was an option, it's just rarely seen.

So to summarize - you can skirmish, but it's in your interests to rank up for different reasons, like shield walling before a charge for instance.  You can alternatively always hold a formation and move the way we're all used to.

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This will be a very big change.  It is not because GW doesn't care about its old players and just wants to attract new ones.  It is not to fill a void that will come from the fading of Lord of the Rings (which will remain in stores and be supported for a long time due to the agreement with New Line Cinemas).

It is just a very fresh look at a game that hasn't changed dramatically in how it's played since the dawn of the game and company.  It will give everyone the opportunity and hopefully inspiration to do something new, but without invalidating everything from the past.  It is opening room for creativity, not closing doors.


Yes, army books will eventually feel too out of date to play, but that's the same with any new edition.  And new Army Books will typically allow people to recreate what they're "used to" it just might not be the most effective thing they could do with their new book.

The new faction are basically the opposite of warriors of chaos, but good the way chaos marines are the opposite of space marines but evil (in terms of broad tropes, I really hope this doesn't spawn some kind of debate about the morality of space marines).

Lastly, nothing stops you from just playing 8th, and ignoring 9th the same way some people ignore End Times.  Just understand that unlike Storm of Chaos which was post-production looked at as an "alternate timeline" where the clock was turned back to right before it took place for the purposes of the setting, the End Times are real, and 9th will begin where it left off.

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  1. Okay, that looks better than last set or rumors, but still kinda weird.
    I take this with three table spoons of salt.

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    1. People are taking salt coz theyre frightened

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    2. they have reason to be, for WHFB has a chance of contracting something with this drastic update

      you know of what i speak

      the metric system

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    3. Metric system :) Finally catching up with the world?

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    4. But the metric system is a step backwards in every way. Going their way (as the US has been), is simply electing to remain free and not feel pressured and oppressed into doing what everyone else is mindlessly doing.

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    5. Metric system for movement would be great. Tape measure with inches are hard to find here. Always have to order the damned things online.

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    6. How does it look better? It looks even worse. Who really wants to play with an army with lmited edition units? What kind of idiocy is that? And the person who wrote this, claiming it's not a money grab, come on! All GW's been doing lately is a money grab, putting out limited edition items and forcing people to scrabble for them. I tolerated that BS for the occasional book or psychic power card set, but I'm not going to put up with that for AN ENTIRE ARMY! "You know, I really would've liked those Catapults they released for my army, as they plugged a deficiency I had in my army, but they were limited edition, so now I can only find them on eBay for absurd prices." To hell with that!

      Dear GW,

      If you were looking for a way to permanently drive me away from purchasing Warhammer Fantasy, then congratulations. You've succeeded.

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    7. Yes, let the metric system in 3 cm move for Dwarf whooo
      (Yes that's sarcasm)
      Metric wouldn't work because all the established army books use inches

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    8. Apart from all the other terrible implications for my armies if this proves true...

      With this, the possible change to necron warriors, and the changes to blood angels bases it seems GW has selected a new way of nickle-and-diming the customer. (Though in this case nickel-and-dime is a gross understatement) Looks like a new added business plan is to force the existing players to buy new bases. (You actually cannot play with old bases in the GW stores for my area)

      Ill faith and money-grabbing.

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    9. Yeah I'm gonna call Bs on most of this.the limited release models for armies is the most cranky thing I've ever heard! How are people suppost to save up and buy units like I'm sure alot of the community that doesn't have deep pockets do this. It's just silly. So I think we can all throw that one out the window.

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    10. You can always tell when people haven't travelled a lot when they praise imperial measurements.

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    11. You can always tell people who don't know much about engineering and science, when they praise the imperial system.
      Since 1959, when the yard was standardised, the inch has had a fixed length, based on the metric system. That's right, when they work out how long an inch is, from first principles, they HAVE to use the metric system.

      The reason being that an inch has no direct real-world value from which we can derive it, aside from the length of a yard, which is defined as a set proportion of a metre. The metre is defined based on the speed of light.

      So when you complain that the imperial system is better, just know that it's because you are more familiar with it. It's a useless abstraction on top of the metric system, which has the side-product of crashing mars landers, and making engineers and scientists who work internationally have to learn more formulas for whichever system they don't use on a daily basis.

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    12. Non of the 6th ED wild rumors ever got into the BRB.
      This is just some trolls makeing up stuff caus they know WFB is likely to be rereleased. Now everyone knows all the Details and hardly anyone can say the rereleas date.

      This is really the Time for salt!
      Lots of salt!!!!

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    13. I agree seb. These rumours are just too far fetched for any form of reasonable discussion. Having models that have a limited release is the worst among them.

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    14. yeah but the imperial system is the best because it properly venerates out glorious God-Emperor of mankind, master of the imperium

      or do i have to make this joke more obvious for you. PM me if you need an explanation

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    15. table spoons of salt? at this stage I'm taking pinches of fricking cocaine, because everyone else seems to be.

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    16. People have reason to be frightened. Half of us are being told support for our armies will be dropped altogether, the other half are being told that we'll lose half our units, and any new units that introduced will only be available for a limited time before their rules and models are dropped as well.

      It's like they're trying to go to a magic the gathering style cycling play sets model, but that is just hideously non-functional in a game that asks not just for hundreds of dollars but also hundreds of hours of modeling time.

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    17. Please state the amount of salt you will be taking in grams to avoid confusion... ;)

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  2. I for one welcome the change! Lets breath new life into this game! So long as I can still use my 3000 points of Dark Elves, I'll be fine and dandy ;)

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    1. by the way it reads you still should be able to do that. also +1 i agree that this change is for the better.

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    2. I welcome this change so long as what I have doesn't need to change...lol wut?

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    3. Everyone does this, Masta. They cry for change, and whine about stale, repetitive army lists. Then when they get good change (like 40k 7th, like this for WHFB), they whine that it changed and they won't be able to play the exact same thing forever.

      Oh, and how dare they have to consider ever buying anything new. Successful businesses should rest on their laurels and give everything away for free.

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    4. I just want Orion back. My entire army is themed around the wild hunt and I have no use for other play styles. Yea, I rarely won against competition builds but it was fun. How a reincarnating avatar is killed is beyond me. :-)

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    5. Orion chose not to come back didn't he?

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    6. McDoogle, you moron, wanting change doesn't mean you want your entire faction and history invalidated in the lore of the setting. And it certainly doesn't mean that you no longer want any updates for your army, ever, which is the case here. So even though old armies are supposedly still playable (for the time being), they'll never be updated, and there's no guarantee that they'll even be balanced with the new armies. This change isn't about making additions to your existing army, but tossing out your existing army in favor of a wholly new army.

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    7. If you can read you can see nothing is invalidated.. people are being given three options for play style.. 3 time periods which to base your narrative play upon and the option to play more fluidly with the ability to skirmish.. this is the best and most innovative way to make this game appeal to a broader range of tabletop gamers.. becoming more similar to 40k and universalizing model bases will surley bring more grimdark players into fantasy and is an excellent business strategy to increase revenue streams.. brilliant move GW i see a very bright future for the #1 miniature games company.. to remain top dog you can't sit on your laurels you gotta shake things up every now and again and this should have been done 10 years ago when plastic became the mainstream medium.. better late than never

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    8. GW need to get back to their roots and respect the average wargamer instead of mischievously fleecing the wallets of teenager’s parents. In all this time, why can’t they settle on a core fantasy game system that works and leave it, as they have with LotR, they won’t(can’t) be making a new version of that will they? You all realise GW shareholder demands require that your expensive collection of models on square bases become redundant. This is not the great fantasy miniatures company I knew, it is instead Heresy.

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  3. sounds very weird. the only thing that really troubles me is limited model/rule runs.
    as long as all the current stuff is usable, it doesnt seem that bad apart from limited model runs. im not bothered if my valkia (for example) cant be used, since ive only got one of her, but if my huge pile of various monsters become invalid because the fluff says so, ill be a bit grump

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    1. if you have SoM or similar books with monsters in i am sure you could still use them, by the way the above reads it would appear if it is in your current army book then you can use it....to a certain degree.

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    2. I'm wondering if we limited model runs it will be like the 40K campaigns, limited run Space Wolf captain and Ork Warboss, limited Blood Angel Terminator captain and Broodlord, etc, etc.

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    3. itll probably be like that, Chaco. little campaign supplements would be good for WHFB

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  4. Well, guess WFB will be dead in a edition or two from the old loyal players that got their army chopped. (yes, I know i can still play 8th yatta yatta yatta...)

    If they make such a big change they should have just discontinued fantasy (like gothic and epic). And startet a new game.

    Either way, I am dissapointed that my lizardmen is done for in a edition or two. So fun, but I'm done.

    Thanks fantasy!

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    1. It said that your currant army book and army will be playable in 9th. They're just only going to focus new stuff on these 6 main factions.

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    2. Your army is still playable, moron. Oh, and if it has deficiencies, it will receive supplemental updates (a la Tyranids). There is no reason to quit playing your game and army when both will still function.

      You're just being that angry, fat kid who has to hate on GW because you still think it's the cool thing to do.

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    3. McDoogle, you're just as entitled to your opinion as he is but we don't need that kind of vitriol here. If you want to talk shit there are plenty of forums out there that encourage little else.

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    4. McDoogle's posts always make him look like such an idiot.

      Haha!

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    5. McDoogle, you moron, the supplements are for the new armies, NOT THE OLD ONES!

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    6. People get way to excited about rumors. Some are right some are wrong. And even the correct ones can be misinterpreted. Let's just wait and see what happens over the next year before any one throws a tantrum.

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    7. I know its still playable did you read my post?

      I thinking even further in the future, say in 2 editions, will my 8th edition lizardmen still function in tournaments in 11th?

      I really liked the fantasy lore about lizardmen, thats why it started, I like fluff.

      @wileeguile
      Yeah lets see this out!

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    8. I don't even play fantasy and I think this sounds pretty weak. they're basicly squatting a ton of the factions. but trying to appease it with "ohh you can just play with your old stuff"

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    9. ^ Yep. And note how this persons says:

      "(Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere)."

      In other words, sure, you can use your old armies, but don't expect any kind of balance to be maintained between the old armies and the new ones. Frankly, it wouldn't shock me if the new armies turned out to be a lot stronger than the old ones, GW's way of further encouraging people to move on to the new models.

      And let's be real, here: How long do people think the support for old models will last? The more the game changes, the less those old army books will fit. Try playing a 3rd edition or 4th edition codex in modern 40k and see how that works out.

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    10. I am aware that you could just play with the old rules, but it's just a weak excuse. If they couple some armies together, there will be a huge lack of background for each of the armies. If it is mainly background where the hell do they fit in all the rules. I normally don't moan about GW but if they put units that were in an army book into a supplement because they couldn't fit it in, I won't be happy. I'm all for having armies team up but keep them as separate books and have set factions in the main book. A la High Elves can only ally with dark or wood elves. It would make a lot more sense to keep on updating the army books have a few books like the End Times series coming out. I've only just got a new dwarf book!

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    11. And don't even get me started on the limits edition models

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  5. Sounds much more reasonable... I've always liked the idea of WFB but never wanted to have all those rank and file to paint up... an option for skirmish (suggests to me) that smaller numbers of models can be used for 40esque games. That appeals.
    Moreover, I do get the impression that they're testing the water for a similar fluff revamp to 40K which I completely welcome!! but that's me just wish-listing now (sorry)

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    1. Round bases, movement and the lower model count is why I choose 40k. If this style is possible in 9th fantasy i'll be picking up a new army to paint! :D

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    2. I'm tempted too. May take up Skaven after all.

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  6. I'll be willing to give this a chance when i find out what the new factions will consist of. I play lizards mainly and i can't think of an army that they'd suit bein mashed together with. Thats got me worried

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    1. They could (of course) be applying the concept of 'battleforged' and 'unbound' armies from 7th ed 40K.
      I.e. you can use whatever you want based on an allies matrix but there are limitations/bonuses based on those choices??

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    2. Thats true and i hope you're right but he did say the unit selection in each book was shrinking so im sceptical

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    3. It would seem that Lizards wont be included in one of the new 6 factions and therefore will ikely get nothing new in the coming future. It does say though that the currant army book and model range will be playable so most likely if you choose to play lizards nothing is changing for you except a new core rulebook.

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    4. It means nothin to me saying 'oh you can still use your old book but it'll be redundant pretty soon', like the source basically did. How long will it be viable and fun to play before it starts gettin silly? Nah if lizards get screwed im shoving the piranha blade up the design teams collective butthole

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    5. I think they will return from the great exodus as a supplement i.e. they seem to be aware of the cataclysm coming so would make sense for them to escape then return to complete the old ones work, think it was the Christmas WD where you had the fluff about the golden skink operating machinery beneath a pyramid, which seems to infer that they have an escape plan, so i would not be surprised for them to disappear then return or they could confirm that WHFB is set on one ass backwards planet in the 40k universe and have them squatted like leviathan comes and devours the escape pyramid :-P

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    6. Yeah all good that i spent thousands on a system just months before GW completely changed it and made all my purchases redundant. You know why because they have so much respect for there customer base

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    7. Yep if this is true it'll be the last dump they take on me. The only people who are gona make money off me for gw products are ebay sellers

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    8. It feels like end times was one big Con to get rid of there old stock before the big overhaul thanks For that GW.

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    10. Ha i know 'end times isnt actually the end, but it is redundant'. Man im willing to wait and see where this goes, it could be great for the game but im nervous

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    11. Lizard men are the creators of the whole world and just run away when things get wrong??? And they don't even make a cool last battle (kinda that explosion to save Lustria form the daemon or Skaven ( I don't remmember right now)) or do something like calling the Old Ones for help?? Come on, just unbelievable.

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    12. Plus they are not in the 9th edition, I don't get it.

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  7. Ogres, dwarfs (70% new models) w.o.c and Bret armies all over 3500 pts for sale

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  8. As a rather new player to fantasy and having 4 new grand armies in less than 3 years...I have to say I'll be offended but in business of unloading models having wished 9th would invigorated loopholes in 8th not turn my 3year quite substantial entry fee into tabletop wargaming into a eBay auction. Not bc of new times but I forsee many skavenesqe rule misinterpretations. I just got 8th down and rather not have to go bk to school to learn how to play with my over saturated armies that I'll never use a grand armies amount of models in new games that are so called supported lol...like gw has a habit of supporting anything fantasy, including phone calls for rule interpretation. So try to that reliable source who cleaned up my decision to hurry up and go club someone on eBay for my ogres, dwarf(70% new models) w.o.c and Bret armies asap and recover some of what was lost financially as I'll never recover my pride in my armies or tabletop gaming that isn't supported by its manufacturer. See you when you change business name after most bail and loss of profits causes bankruptcy. But we all know the RBS will never truly fail.

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    1. calm down lol, dont really matter in the scheme of things, still have all my necromunda, epic (and epic 40k), blood bowl, wh:quest, gorkamorka armies, and its not like any of them are still supported is it?, as for selling the lot y bother, 95% of what you will have will still be valid units,you may have lost them as individual armies but you will have a solid starting point for at least one of the new factions, they may need a repaint if you want your army to look cohesive, and i dare say its only a matter of time before GW release a paint stripper to coincide with 9th ;-) cus we all love buying over priced versions of common modeling supplies with a citadel badge & fluffy name on it, and if GW release a paint stripper it would probably be called tyranid enzyme....

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    2. really? like we don't get folk like you come an edition change [even of the magnitude of the last 40k ed change].....

      *cue panic and mass exodus musical montage*

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    3. Yeah you might regret selling all your stuff on ebay before 9th is even released.It would be best to wait and see how 9th edition turns out and if you don't like it when it comes out you can still stick with 8th edition.

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  9. I'm quite excited about the potential skirmish rule set. I'll definitely give it a go with my 40k daemons, I've not played WFB for years, the current start up cost, painting & modelling time puts me off a bit. Count me in for the new edition! Having said that I've not got an exsisting army so I've got nothing to lose.

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  10. If this is true (and I still don't believe it), I'm giving up Fantasy. After End Times spectacularly shafted Wood Elves players and totally ruined all my favourite fluff, I've been dreading the next development and this... This is just awful. It literally may as well be a different game. It's a little hard to take when you buy an army book and 3000pts of Wood Elves that become outdated and unsupported after ONE YEAR.

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    1. If you want to sell them id be interested in buying them!

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    2. yep i have similar amount of Dwarves [3500], Skaven [2500], High Elves [4500], & if i count my brother whom no longer plays 20,000 point gobbo army [mostly metal] as well i know what you mean. this is from a 20 year veteran as well. over the years i have collected 20,000 points of empire [4 armys], WOC [about 2000 points over the years] i have collected beatmen, ogres, undead [both vampire/khemri and original undead], lizardmen, dark elves and mercs..... personally i couldn't care if all these armies are invalidated as i had fun while i was painting and gaming with them over that time period.

      3000 points of elves is a lot if you haven't collected a bit of every faction.

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    3. How exactly did wood elves get shafted? They got the same as the rest of the elves, rolled into one mega faction. Hell from a lore perspective they did arguably the best of the three, they were right all along, they are the only reason the elves still exist in any number and Araloth is a bad ass and far more of your special characters are alive compared to DE and HE.

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    4. Agree with you Thomas. GW needs to respect your investment.

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    5. Ytook they killed Orion. Athel Loren is basically overrun with nurgle and Malekith is running the show. They may have fluffed WE as darker this last book but they have always been about cultivating life and nature.

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    6. Our forest is full of namby-pamby High Elves, our King and Queen are dead (and replaced by Alarielle and friggin' MALEKITH), the cool, isolationist fluff is gone and apparently it's totally cool for hundreds of thousands of Elves to come stay in Athel Loren, we got no boosted special characters (like Tyrion, Malekith etc) and our army essentially became an excuse for High Elf players to take Waywatchers.

      I don't want to use High Elf and Dark Elf units, I play WOOD ELVES. But now the unique fluff and character that drew me to this army has been destroyed and the Wood Elves have just become boring, homogeneous "Elves."

      And, with all my favourite aspects of Wood Elf fluff utterly destroyed by some High Elf fanboy, we didn't even get any cool new models. No. Just no. I give GW a lot of slack, but they're utterly ruining any interest I had in Fantasy with their push towards combined armies (and all the crappy fluff justifications that entails).

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    7. #Epic Facepalm#

      Wow, Woodelves DID end up better off than the other elven races, whom numbers are less than half of the WE, and with Chaos destroying the world and a Deamon looking to eat All their souls I think they're more concerned with surviving than proving who's more right.

      In fact all but one of their Gods are Dead! And she has no power left!

      Did a tragic thing happen? Yes, but to All Elves not just the Wood Elves.

      (And your whole dislike of Malekith is blinding you to why he is important to the Elves' survival. Their King and Queen reflect the Light and Dark side of the Elven nature and for all he has done wrong he is still comitted to the Elven survival and the destruction of Chaos.

      That is all that matters now, nothing else.

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    8. ^ there are the crappy fluff justifications.

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    9. At least wood elves got a hard back book and some cool new models like the tree man.

      My skaven still have their softcover 7th edition book and some ugly End of Times kits on the horizon.

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    10. At least skaven got a 7th edition book.

      My Bretonnians . . . ;-)

      Not sure what will happen to them.

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  11. No I'm sorry but this is just complete rubbish, why in the seventh hell would GW do this to IMHO the longest standing fans of GW, if this is the case and I truly hope it is not then GW have will hurt a very big percentage of players, just give us 9th edition please.

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    1. it sounds insane I agree, but GW'd not be the first gaming company to absolutly butcher their setting in a vain (and ultimatly unsucessful) attempt to chase no players

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    2. Its insane caus the troll that made it up likes getting people to rage.
      Like all the fake rumors. They try to push people Buttons for lolz.

      Said this before. Likely GW will only change the Cover. They dont need to put in Work. A new number is everything they need to sell books. Look at 7th! Expect that much.
      Take salt for all these rumors!

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  12. "To rank up using round bases, it is intended to use new movement trays which have circular cuts to hold the bases of the appropriate size."

    Trays so new WoTR used it since it came out.

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    1. yeah, heck, back when I was considering my 40k army options, the manager of my local GW suggested if I get deamons I use the LOTR bases so I can use em in fantasy and 40k

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  13. I know I believe every word of this. Remember all those 7th ed 40k rumors that were true? Like consolidating into a new combat, percentages, sidebars, ignore cover getting changed.... All sooo true. This one is just silly sounding. I know when I am being trolled.

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  14. I'm so glad I never got into Fantasy apart from an RPG POW...

    I am so afraid they'll give 40k the same treatment...

    For me they are just going about reinvigorating WFB the wrong way. IMHO there was nothing wrong with the setting, which was really awesome, the main issue was the entry price and the lack of a skirmish ruleset to get people to jump start their army.

    They will regret it. People will not take kindly to their army being scrapped, even if the new ruleset is excellent (which it will not be, given GW track record)...

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  15. I'm not really buying into this rumour but forge world have released rules as downloads for a lot of their monsters today:
    http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fwDownloads

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  16. Wah wah wah! I own 13 armies (10 painted) for WFB and have yet to find a model I couldn't shoehorn into an existing army from any historical/fantasy range, I don't see why that will change.

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  17. This might get me back to WFB after retiring from it during last millennia. I do hope the fluff will become more mature as the End Times is suggesting...

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  18. This sounds alot more drastic than the change from 5th to 6th in 40k. I can't help but think of Rackham and its changes to Confrontation based on its success with at-43.
    Honestly I don't really care that much as I already play a older edition when I want. If true this will give me more money to spend on old Rackham and Citadel metals or will make a bunch of people dump their warhammer collections for cheap on ebay, either way I win. I would rather a game that scales well between small and large battles with a evolving story but I can make due with Oldhammer.

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  19. If I could find a sculptor I would create a better fantasy universe and game than Warhammer anyway. If GW were open and honest this probably wouldn't be so bad. They need to let its fans see the future.

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  20. The amount of salt in this 'rumour' is just silly.

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  21. Huge chunks of the world in a sea like the warp with little bubbles of races/factions floating around sounds really silly - this sounds like a fruit machine or randomised game generator rather than a well developed and thought out Fantasy setting. We'll see how GW implement this - the devil is in the details and they usually do a good job - but not liking the sound of this.

    Also, the thinning down of the units may well help shelf space but there needs to be enough variance for multiple builds of a single force.. take current Dark Elves... you can theme a very different army from each of the cities of Naggaroth.. because the reasonably wide model range supports this. We shouldn't lose this.

    I'm excited about the new models and interested to see the slightly new way of playing the game, and keeping things backwards compatible for a while or longer seems a good way to keep everyone sort of happy and progress.

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    1. yeah, people don't like monolist armies. thats one of the biggest complaints about the grey knights right now

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    2. I try hard to not make judgments till I read books and rule. but Im agreeing with druchii. not really liking the sound of it.

      first reaction (I try not to ave them) is glad I sold my fantasy this year

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    3. I totally agree DM. The diversity in the model range of Warhammer is one of its strengths. I hoe they dont streamline things too much. It would just reduce most armies to carbon copies of one another.

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  22. The fluff sounds somewhat silly, but that might just be due to poor explaining of it by the rules leakers. As long as they don't switch over to round bases, and I can still play my armies (Tomb Kings and Orcs) then I'll learn to adjust.

    The accelerated release schedule with limited time models sounds like the dumbest thing ever. That is not the way to build a sustainable game system and hobby. You'll just piss a bunch of people off AND encourage lots of illegal recasting. I'm sure the recasters in China and Russia will be more then happy to fill any void left by a release plan like that.

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    1. round bases wouldnt be a bad thing if they kept the trays and it was more of an optional thing.

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  23. Only thing that worries me is time limits on model ranges.

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    1. This scares me, too. I am in no way a rich gamer, spending as little as about £300 a year on my hobby and I frequently have to save up for any kind of large purchase.

      Limited releases like that will frankly make forming an army I like the look of almost impossible.

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    2. yeah that'll be a killer. I got a hunch that if these rumors are true, GW's BASSICLY phasing WFB out

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  24. I should have invested all my money to buy a large amount of the "Salt Corporation" stocks. I would have been rich right now.

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  25. I believe these rumours - they are exactly what I predicted in a previous thread. That said...

    This won't be Warhammer Fantasy that I know and love anymore. The ranks and intricate movement are what drew me to fantasy.

    But in the other hand...I'm ready for a change. My fantasy armies are Bretonnia (since the 90s), Dogs of War (6th ed) and a Chariot & Cavalry based High Elf army. No updates for two of those armies and 8th ed's Steadfast rule killed the game for me anyways. So bring on the Change!

    If anyone truly misses Warhammer as it used to be, just keep playing older editions and house rule what you don't like. It's your game, after all.

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  26. Maybe the lizards use the exodus engines to go back in time and fix everything before it happens which means people can have the choice of warhammer as we know it or this rumored skirmish game...at least I hope! Just seems silly that they would completely change game that started it all. As mentioned above the reason most people play warhammer is for ranked up units and more tactful gaming.

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  27. I'm actually kinda saddened by this if its true - especially the changes to the fluff. Warhammer, for me, wasn't all just about the huge, sprawling battles - I liked the world setting and that not everywhere was some grimdark place where all they did was fight or struggle to survive. It had a romance to it and it could easily be added to your armies to give it extra flavor.

    I wasn't in love with 8th edition, sure - 6th is still my favorite.... but right now 9th sounds awful.

    I've been a hobbyist for 22 years now, with the warhammer fantasy world being the backbone of that. Seeing it drastically changed into a depressing 40k style void -will- make me look elsewhere.

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    1. Not enough +1s to give you.

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    2. Same point of view...Floating isles..Kill me now.

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    3. I +1 this so hard I'm popping a vein.

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  28. Given that End Times has been received as a big positive push for WHFB and they're actually putting resources and design time into the game, why don't we see how this all plays out before freaking out and running to Ebay. That's not really reasonable is it? I have been feeling so stagnant and bored with WHFB for so long (I haven't liked 8th at all and it pretty much decimated our local playing group) I rarely play it anymore, even though I really like the setting, and I have armies (ogres mainly) which are on the potential chopping block... still I'm excited for what this could bring. End times got me interested - 9th will actually get me playing again.

    I'm at least going to stay cautiously optimistic on this one.

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  29. The new fluff reads a bit like World of War(hammer)craft. I'm curious as to what these 6 factions will be. Currently ET gives us:

    Undead Legions (TK & Vampire Counts)
    Legions of Chaos (Warrios, Beastmen & Daemons)
    Elves (WE, HE & DE)
    Skaven

    which leaves:

    Humans (Empire & Bretonnia - maybe Dwarves, or even Ogres?)
    O&Gs (possibly merged with Ogres)
    Lizardmen

    How to make 2 factions of the latter?

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    1. But there arent 6 factions from existing books, just 5. The 6th faction is a new faction ("good" chaos warriors equivlent).

      So if the 5 factions from existing books include the 4 end times armies we have, there is only 1 more from those left that you listed.

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    2. My hypothesis:

      in further endtime books slaans will sacrifice themselfs for :the greater good" and rest of lizzards become wild creatures, forging one army with orcs and ogres. After all there should be a balance between good guys (elves + human aliance), bad (chaos and skaven) and "neutral" (this hypothetic wild army and undeads)

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    3. ET was a campain.

      ESC or SA never got mandatory.

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  30. 3rd edition will rise again! Return to your roots and actually have fun with a game again away from the corporate puppet strings of the GW mothership.

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  31. doubt. since i've heard all the GW guys call endtimes the 30k of fantasy, i have real doubt this will come true. they won't scrap armies. not since they updated all but like 3 of them with new models. yeah they're going to cut out wood elves right after updating the treeman and eternal guard lol.

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    1. Not unless they intend these limited releases to be resin models aka 30K from Forgeworld.

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  32. So WHFB already sells much, much less than 40k. Now why would they release new plastic kits as limited runs for this system? AFAIK the expensive part of plastic kits is not the creation itself, but the production of the molds. It would make little sense to invest lots of cash into the sculpting and molds, just to give a model a limited production run for something that could see regular play.

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    1. I think this was addressed on the article. Limited runs are almost guaranteed to sell out, especially if they forever remain game-legal (eg Albion models) and will never be made again. An effective way to make fantasy models cost-effective and profitable.

      GW is learning from the End Times lessons we are teaching them with our wallets and our spending.

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    2. +1 Unknown that is what GeeDubz is doing alright. we are good teachers, but they [GW] aren't our finest students.... ;)

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    3. They Limit stuff to force sales now rather than later.
      Its not like plastic molds are that expensiv anymore. Its only fanboys that say so, as a argument to High prices.
      In reality GW has new kits with less sprues that cost more & vice versa. They charge what ever they think they can/ they want.

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  33. All the optimism in the world won't save your armies...just like they said also really fast releases as in please help as survive as we outdate your armies. Playing old editions is not my style nor is the main streamers(40k). Toasting my new year to good fortune on ebay and lots of extra time.

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  34. This gives me a bit of hope, that I'll still be able to use my 8th edition armies in the new format, but I'm still a bit bothered by the drastic changes. I have no problem with them moving the timeline forward and changing the fluff, in fact I've really enjoyed that aspect of the End Times, but to delete factions and limit the playerbase you've already acquired for the game seems out of left field.

    That being said, if the fluff isn't great, the format of the game hindering, or my 8th ed armies aren't playable, I'll gladly play 8th edition with my gaming group until such time as the game format reverts back to 1st-8th edition.

    For all those that are crying the sky is falling (and I don't blame you), keep two things in mind.

    One - GW has been producing rules and books far faster than at any other point in their history. If this edition doesn't sell, if people don't like the rules and new format, they can easily release 10th edition within a year to bring us all back into the fold.

    Two - when the sources mention "limited release" rules and models, I don't take that to mean limited release in the same way that the void shield was limited release. What that means to me is that the game will be moving into more of a "TCG" style of release...every year or so, you'll have to update your army, because the models that you included (ie, cards in your deck) are not legal anymore or no longer viable.

    Either way, you can always play the game you love with your friends and ignore the new rules sets until something appealing comes along. I'm not too worried either way - either the new rules will be great and we'll all put our foots in our mouths, or they won't be and we can still play 8th and vote with our wallets.

    Either way, no reason to come out guns blazing with "OMG I'm totally quitting this game, that will show them". Also, if you truly feel that way, EMAIL GW and tell them. They don't read Warseer or Faeit or Dakka. Contact them directly if you want change made.

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    1. On point one: You can't stuff this back into a box. Having a named 9th edition release with half the armies unsupported with new rules will cause a mass exodus from the hobby and a deep mistrust. Those people wont magically return if a 10th edition goes back to the ways things were. Maybe some will, but a small faction.

      One two: You know, I'm kind of okay with the idea of a TCG style release IF it means armies are getting cheaper by virtue of needing fewer models. If GW expects people to drop $500 a year on models that will be defunct in 12 months then they're in for a rude shock.

      However, if we're talking small scale to the point where each faction will require $100-150 worth of new models a year to stay relevant with more for bigger showpiece models that will be evergreen, that I could get behind.

      Right now I suspect many are like me. Staring at my 7,000 pts of Skaven wondering how much will be relevant, and contemplating if I should return my $500 in unopened Dwarves I was planning to start

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    2. 1) it will take more than 10th edition to get people back. especially the long time players who remember making storm of chaos lists with the promise they will be supported to find out 1 month later they were considered banned by the then GW sanctioned events. and 9 possibly making their armies defunct

      2 I would not come back to a TCG style miniature game. Im not alone (and there are others who would love it) Im not a fan of the direction of the DLC content system 40k has gone (but since they effect some of my armies I will buy them as long as it doesnt get to stupidly overpriced)

      we will see. I may be totaly wrong in what I think but we will see

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    3. I really think that "limited release" is exactly what the void shields were....models you can only get once and "never" (never say never!) again, but whose rules remain current and game-legal forever. That's what the reference to the Albion models means.

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    4. to delete factions and limit the playerbase you've already acquired for the game seems out of left field

      Tell that to the owners of squat, genestealer cult, and freebooter armies.

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  35. I cannot sustain the fluff, if that will be some stupid flying islands on sea of chaos. How stupid is that? I liked warhammer as it is not colourfull fantasy but grim dark europe fantasy.

    If the story really goes this way. Better to destroy the World and do the End Times to the end.

    As I already see the stories. "two islands crashed together and sand split across the icy home of the Dark Elves and the hills started to melt down as the Khemri forcess advanced to the heart of the isle."

    Seven hels. Khain claim them. Hope this is just rumor as if not this will be the End Times for me as well.

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  36. Lastly...maybe its not the edition that's broke...maybe it the company...after all look at all the success around them in tabletop from war machines, hordes, and such which are all former fantasy players who had enuf of gw's antics and found a much cheaper drug. GW is broken in most gamers eyes so they have try really hard to profit...such as books and models and paints and sales every month. I choose not to do further business or gaming in their realms of 60$ ten infantry boxes. Just so they can comp and blacklist it... If u don't know that RBS owns GW and they also own wizards of the coast for magic...so if you play magic...then u know exactly where this is goin...tribal ring a bell...and it was so welcomed there too for about a day. Sucks tho bc I was definitely a candidate to buy a grand of this new super good faction but not paying 100$ to for new model so its comped immediately in tourneys like most eot stuff.

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    1. Sorry, but HASBRO owns Wizards Of The Coast. They have done for years now.

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    2. People like to bring up all the competition. And competition is good. But I play Warhammer mostly because I think the deliver very good models, and a game I would like to play.

      Honestly I love the grand scale of Fantasy, with the amount of area your army takes up, and yet with all those models the games go rather quickly.
      I know it's not everyones cup of tea, which is why the skirmish scene is growing.

      This is why I think GW should add a propper none lisenced skirmish game to their lineup, not changing one of their core games (And this is why I believe this "9th" is a misinterpretation of just that, a new game) I would buy and play this game mentioned above, but not if that costs us Warhammer, the iconic tabletop mini wargame next to 40k.
      I don't want to play Fantasy 40k, I want to play fantasy AND 40k as seperate games who share a common place but play differently.

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  37. Let's wait and see. Reacting to rumors is overreacting.

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    1. Matt no one here appreciates your sense of reason or balanced thought process. Don't you know its all about being a jackass and responding hysterically to stuff that hasn't actually happened?
      Fucking Obama....

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    2. i'm probably one of the more heavily invested fantasy players/collectors..... i am 100% level headed about this whole....ahem.....affair.....i hope it does happen tbh 100%. might inspire me to partake in the hobby more than once a bluemoon.

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  38. This just sounds so off... it changes so much of what fantasy is, and why I play it.

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  39. I'm not 100% pro- or anti-GW when it comes to their decision making process. I love this hobby and am a huge fan of fantasy. I always dreaded the day GW brought what I've always felt to be the somewhat shady business practice of filling gaps left in army books with supplements/dataslates over to fantasy. I knew it'd come sooner or later because the best way to make money from a group that already has most of its armies' models is to milk them for multiple books to build those armies. I understand supplements/dataslates give more options, and it's a good thing if they are later add ons after the army book has been released and used. But to put things in those supplements/dataslates that could've been included in the main army book like additional core units or the like (again IF they were in existence at GW already) is shady in my book. For example, I don't want a supplement making a formation allowing Throgg to make trolls core troops for WoC after it gets pulled from the army book. That's the sort of stuff I hope we don't start to see. Those rules should be in the main book and there's no reason to hold them for a separate supplement.

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  40. I hope this is all true, because I'm collecting my Warriors and Beastmen (started a combined army when glottkin came out) primarily to play oldhammer, and once the local players reject the new rules I can hopefully coax them into playing 3rd ed!

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  41. I must say, if these are true then i'll have a 8k dwarf army on ebay in a couple months, and a 2k bret army. Making changes from one ed to another is one thing, throwing away the entire flavor of the game is another. With how dwarves have been crippled by each of these new rules (with a marginally competitive book to start with) it has depressed me, but with combined profiles on ridden monsters, an unstoppable magic phase, and every other army having a thing called a movement phase it has made my army unplayable (and almost my entire army is new models, so it is a recent investment).

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  42. OMG, this is crap nerdrage. I'm heading over BoLs where this sh*t is about to get real. They are going to burn it to the ground over there...[grabs popcorn]...

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    1. ^ vonevilstein. Hilarious. Thank you.

      On a serious note, being a hardcore Warhammer Fantasy player and fan for the last 15 years and reading this bothers me immensely and I hope I doesn't come to fruition. The main reason I have loved Fantasy all these years is due to the fluff, and I am really enjoying the End Times as I feel it adds to the game without making me need to completely rebuild my armies and not worry about half of them becoming redundant or outdated.

      I think rumours like the above hurt Games Workshop as they deter people like myself who aren't made of money from buying more Fantasy until we know what direction it may be going in.

      In a perfect hobby world for me, Games Workshop would be involved with the community and tell us where the game is going months in advance. Or at least they would squash/confirm/clarify when rumours like this one crop up, instead of having huge changes dropped on me the week of release and by the time I have got the funds together to purchase the product it has sold out which puts me off future releases tied with the one I missed.

      Sincerely,

      A long time lurker, first time poster

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    2. Just looking at this post out of thousands posing a similar viewpoint, I am really surprised that GW are not taking these opinions on board. These viewpoints seem to be in the majority, and I can see GW royally p**sing off a lot of customers and sealing their own demise in the process. Unfortunately, has abandoned listening to their customers a long time ago and adopted the mind-set of "YOU WILL BUY WHAT WE WILL SELL"....which ALWAYS fails.

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  43. I could never get into fantasy, but now hearing that Lizardmen probably won't be supported (that's the army I half heartedly tried to start) looks like I never will.

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  44. Rumor source used the term "internet whiners." They are as solid as diarrhea. Stating opinions and positions you don't agree with is not whining. It is called "conversation." Insulting and complaining about people who state opinions you don't agree with is, however, whining.

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  45. Is End Times/new core rule set actually a REPLACEMENT FOR LOTW? Worth considering.....

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  46. Soo, WFB gets round bases and religious zealots in oversized shoulder pads, ergo space marines...

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  47. We already had realms in the warp, it's called going North.
    So this isn't adding stories people can play in it's forcing everyone to play inside the realms of chaos. Reduced kinds of stories = boring.

    Sorry but my vampires travelling around the old world as it was interests me and this endlessly... no it doesn't. A foray into the chaos wastes sure but the whole world like that.. no i think that the end of the end times will result in a drop in sales and they'll need to reach for the reset button and learn how to make the game popular again by finding what made it work in the first place and doing more of that.

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  48. I'm all for functional smaller scale skirmish rules, but killing off the setting, killing off all future support for half the factions in the game, and making future support for the remaining half consist entirely of limited run models and rules, seems to me a poor strategy for revitalizing the game.

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  49. Totally revamping the rules and the setting isn't what was needed for the game. The 8th edition rules were not perfect (why am I using past tense), but were solid enough that a small amount of tweaking and clarification was all that was needed. Re-writing the rules means the process of finding flaws, inaccuracies and oversights in the rules will start all over again.

    As to the setting...islands floating about in a void? I mean, come on! Who wants this? If the 'timeline' was stale and needed moving forward, then this is not the way for me. Some of us like to savour the hobby, take our time to enjoy it, not be rushed into buying the next lot of models, or even older ones that we think might be taken off the shelves (figuratively speaking, when you consider online purchasing).

    As far as I'm concerned, GW can do what they like. I've got the 8th edition books and more than enough models, and will continue to play it using the rules and setting that I prefer.

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