With a few pics roaming around on the new Centurion models, there has been a lot of feedback and comments on how people are disliking the new models. While nothing is going to show off the model like the videos that will come out before release day (my favorites), I think the details on the model that I have glimpsed, are rather cool.


First off, a Centurion suit is a suit that a space marine steps up into. Its a walking suit loaded to the brim with guns, and options to take on any type of foe, all within one suit. Centurions in the battle report just layed waste to units to units in powered armour on the Chaos side of things.

Looking a little closer at the details of the model, you can see how and where the marine steps up into the suit. While I am going to (like always) hold off my final thoughts on the look of Centurions, I think the initial backlash I have seen is a little unwarranted as of yet.

I look forward to seeing them in more than just blue and yellow.

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  1. I have loved them since begining and loving them more and more with pictures. They are great bulky models with big place for my own conversion. Definitely excited about them.

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    1. Here here! A voice of reason in these dark and sullen days.

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    3. I see you brother! I always stayed behind my marines as I am standing now. If you are member on Heresy we will definitely meet again and remember:

      Only to true followers of The Emperor his light is revealed so they always find right path to his domain

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    4. Honestly? Didn't like them at first, but after looking at them a bit more, they're not that bad. My first thought was something akin to the Power Loader from Aliens (now there's a thought of ideas for sure X3).

      Oh, and someone shopped this together - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/AgeOfEgos/marineinamarine_zpscd213b9b.jpg X3

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    5. If this game over the years has taught me anything, it is that if the unit ends up being worth the points and are OP, people will run as many of them as they can no matter how they look.

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    6. I need to see the model first and look for conversion ideas. Even my Termies are not in their suggested pose and a good mod might make them look fantastic.

      Then again they might come in few hollowed halves making conversions extremely difficult.

      Figures crossed for a multi small parts model.

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    7. I think they'd look better painted to show a bit more differentiation between the power armour marine and the outer suit

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  2. Has GW released anything that people haven't bitched about? Seriously, there is no pleasing the internet.

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    1. Not that I can remember, at least in recent memory. Then comes the inevitable "well actually they're pretty bad ass" comments after they drop and people get their hands on them.

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    2. Everyone loved the riptide, new wraithguard and wraithknight lots of models that get released get an immediate "OMFG must have" I agree the majority of the internet is haters but in the case of the Centurions I think its justified

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  3. Im going to model a boombox on the shoulders of my assault centurion sergeant.

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  4. i thought they were cool too!

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  5. Also a fan. They look like they march into place, lock down the legs and hold back the tide of gribblies!

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  6. I think the big question ask when they see the models is "Why?" They said the same when the Dreadknight came out. Here you have a superhuman individual encased in powered armor or Terminator armor that is described as the equivalent of a walking tank. You then wrap up that combination inside another layer of armor?

    It's like taking a Sherman tank, and building an M1 Abrams hull and turret around it. Why not just skip the Sherman and just build the Abrams? Marines didn't need a stopgap in the progression from Power Armor, to Terminator Armor, to Dreadnought. That's what Centurions are; a stopgap unit that was very poorly executed on an aesthetic level.

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    2. Yeah because of enormous tau, chaos and eldar monstrous creatures, etc. And because militaries don't have unlimited resources to create titans (or loan them from the Mechanicum), dreadnoughts or what have you. Is this really a question?

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    3. Doesn't going from terminator armor to dreadnought require, you know, death? Or at least near-fatal accident. It's not like chapters can ask marines to volunteer to almost die so they can be shoved into a walker. It'd make sense to me that they'd create bigger armor to battle in harsh warzones that was close to comparable with a vehicle that's not easily replaced. Why wait for marine deaths when you can keep them alive in a comparable machine? Dreads would still be necessary, because, hell, you don't want your veterans to be dead-dead.

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    4. True, they may be good, bad, situational or just meh. We don't know yet. So why do people get upset?

      Let's see...maybe because it is stepping into an already filled niche? When the core issue remains that PA isn't really "powered" as far as game effects go and needs to be fixed?

      Gee, Marines get S4 T4 from genetic engineering, they get WS4 BS4 from being well trained (veterans if you will). So the only difference between slap on unpowered carapace armor than any unenhanced human Guardsman can wear and super-duper powered armor is.... +1 armor save. Oh, the power armor lets you effortlessly carry around the backpack that powers it...

      PA should be +1S&T and Marines should get W2, maybe A2 (since any IG Sgt can swing more in melee than a Marine who has been fighting about as long as the Sgt will live) and probably FNP(6+) from their genetic engineering...and no, they won't be 15 or 16 points anymore either.

      The problem with that...GW won't be able to sell as many models. The problem with fixing Terminators...GW won't sell as many models. So, good, bad or indifferent, the entire purpose of the new Marine Killa Kanz is to get people to buy them.

      Personally, I think they will either be openly OP or they will have an "oops" that GW won't FAQ for a while (like the Dreadknight) or that people will purposefully twist. The other option from GW's record would be that they are duds immediately or become so after the FAQ finally hits.

      The next question: Do people really like that the next codex has been a hard counter to the previous one? Or that if this trend keeps up with all the shiny new toys we are going to start seeing more instances where every list has a *viable & valid* "kryptonite" counter?

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  7. For me, I have to see the whole model before I'll say anything. Hopefully the back of the model is a little more opened up and maybe you can see where the pilot steps into the suit.

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  8. Totally. They're great. Part of the silliness of the siege models was the combination of the terrible imperial fist paint job in neon yellow and the helmetless aspect of the ultras. Also I think not having a sense of scale in comparison to other models is a contributing factor.

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  9. I kinda see them as the Space Marine answer to Crisis Suits. Now if those heavy weapons fire as two weapons rather than twin-linked and if they get an option for split fire, GW won't be able to keep them on the shelves regardless how fugly they look.

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    1. As a predominently tau player that idea scares me. Until i think that i can take them as allies and convert the hell out of them to my liking

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    2. Umm, maybe "answer to" didn't come off quite like I meant it too. More like their version of Crisis Suits.

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  10. I think they look okay. I can understand the concept behind the design. Even if I don't love the model I'm sure I can make an awesome conversion. It does have similar heavy weapons to a storm Talon.


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  11. If they're called Centurions, they better have a special rule "By Your Command". Failing that, a rule called "I Heard You Like Power Armor".

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  13. Answer just this one: how does the marine's arms fit into the suit, and how does the marine move the suit's arms? There's no way a marine's arms can fit in that suit, and I can't see how it's working from the few pics we've seen. Should this concern be addressed I'd actually like them, although I'm not convinced about the assault ones (look too ponderous and slow; maybe for breaching fortifications).

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    1. Same as the dreadknight harness with joy sticks I assume.

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    2. There is no room for sticks on that armor, that is the same issue i'm having with this models. Ok you got a 2º layer of armor, but the chestplate is so big that you forgot you have to get your arms over there... or they only take armless marines for centurions?

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    3. Francisco you know not the depth of that suit nor the depth of my soul.

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    4. Brains powah! That's how it's controlled.

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  14. Just guessing on Stats, (really this is a guess - no information is copied at all)
    Space Marine Centurion
    Monstrous Creature (giving them the ability to fire two weapons a turn)

    WS 4
    BS 4
    S 5
    T 5
    W 3
    I 4
    A 3
    LD 9

    Special Rules (Excuse redundancy) - Tank Hunters or Monster Hunter, Relentless... that's all for now.

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    1. no way MC and now way more than 2 W

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    2. Haha if SM gets 3 wound terminators with 3 attacks base that can fire 2 lascannon shots, and is natively T5, my Obliterators are going to have to visit Mr. Cruddace

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  15. The pictures look like the suits were made by Orks, but the initial leaked photos never do the end result justice. Looking forward to seeing these in the flesh.

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    1. Orks wouldn't make something that ugly.

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  16. Prolly a 2+ Armor to boot. No inv.

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    1. If they have no inv save there going to die to pretty much anything that looks at them. Plasma guns and lascannons all the way.

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    2. yeah my gut feeling is they'll have an invul save too for that reason. these guys need to be at least tough eneugh that they're not gonna be insta-gibbed.

      on the other hand they can't be too good, as a squad has a LOT of firepower. given they're being compared to oblits I figure they'll clock in at 85-100 points a model or so.

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    3. Yeah, I'd hope T5 2+/5++ (maybe 4++ because of how thick their armor is or something) bare minimum or they'll be turned to paste in no time.

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    4. I think T5 terminator equivalents (2+/5++) with slow and purposeful seems fair

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  17. As usual I wait for the 360s before I pass judgement. So many models have "sweet spots" in the sculpting that if you miss them with the camera will look dodgey as all heck on film. The 360 spins give you a much, much better idea of what the model will be like in hand.

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  18. I really don't like the look of the close combat versions, if I want drill arms I will go to my dreads. I don't see these guys replacing my combat terminators. I have not seen the shooty versions which are the ones I care about, I think the static poses will look better for them since it will look like the suit has locked down to reduce the impact of any recoil.

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  19. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wL8E0MzDSnk/UgSQia4bASI/AAAAAAAABIw/pq7yBerRDyA/s640/blogger-image-1763656467.jpg
    I would say Twin linked weapons?

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  20. I can see why some might like them and I'm not talking about those who just like everything GW makes but I don't like them they just seem goofy, and I don't think my opinion will change if I see more of them, it didn't with the Helldrake, forgfiend or the Chaos daemon Chariots. I'll just stick with my Eldar, thanks.

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    1. it's funny you mention Eldar honestly. cause I think a lotta the people who are critical of stuff like this SHOULD consider leaning towards the eldar. The Eldar's units are, for the most part, almost artistic, they're very smooth and pretty.

      The Imperium, however, as a general rule, their units tend to be blocky, and functional. mostly that's something we see restricted to armor, but in this case we're seeing that on personal armor as well. the centurion suit DOES fit with the "marine aestetic" thing is not everyone likes that aestetic. thats why we have so many factions. it allows GW to give us a varity of looks and styles. Orks, marines, Tau, eldar, put em all on the board together and it's a fantasticly varied looking board

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  21. Come on people.

    It is so, so ugly. It is the worst instance of sticking all the cool stuff you can feasibly fit on a figure since the grey knights were released. It smacks of an idiot child's desire for oneupmanship ("my guy has a gun that can kill a planet", "well mine has two of those, and a sword that can kill ten planets"). It has no place in even the bombastic world ok the 41st millenium,

    Also, it doesn't wash with me when people have a go at whiners on the internet. Why do people get so upset at certain moves by GW? Because they love the hobby as a whole, invest time and money into it, and hate to see it diluted by silly money grabbing moves, and that is a legitimate grievance.

    If you honestly like it, fine, but don't just be a GW apologist.

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    1. That's how I feel JDC, usually I love all GW stuff....but this? Why? Not needed, silly concept that is ugly to boot. I would rather of seen new heavy weapon options for dreads and devs. Make walkers better instead of all this MC nonsence too. Now I love the game and all the new codices have been good imho, but this I can't deffend.

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    2. I think this is exactly how we feel when see the stormtalon, the lord of skulls, the Wall of martyrs, the stormraven, that landspeeder from the DA... and all of those horrible minis have been done reently!! where are the good designers and sculptors??? where is Juan Diaz?? where is Jes Goodwing??

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    3. Jes is chained in the basement, fed on a steady diet of rotting meat and warp energy X3

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  22. I think the problem is they leaked the worse-looking of the two builds, assault, first. Had they leaked the devastator version first, we'd be seeing far more positive remarks.

    The assault version look odd because the under-slung drill thingy just doesn't look good. It just doesn't look functionally practical, but I understand why they designed them that way (the whole modular, fit to match the opponent mentality that marines are good at), but it would look so much better if the fist was replaced with the drills instead of underneath.

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    1. Exactly the difference between good Tau crisis and Broadside minis (forgeworld, the weapon elegantly included in the arm) and the older version (GW placing the weapon "hanging"). If they see how a good model is done (they got Access to FW models, like all of us) then they certainly WANT them to look ODD.

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  23. The Centurion Devastators look badass. They're clunky and look like they have an awkward walk because they don't need to move around much. Armor is important, mobility is an afterthought.

    My issue that that the "assault" version should be able to close the gap and get into CC quickly, something the centurion models do not represent. They look like they could barely move, which is very bad for units designated for assault.

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    1. agreed 100%. that said I'll withhold judgement on the assault ones until I see their fluff. they'd make sense as a "limited production variant" intended to back up terminators in boarding actions and similer close combat situations. I mean in a "space hulk" scenerio those drills would be handy as tools as much as weapons and the chest mounted hurrican bolter would enable it to annilate genestealers before they closed

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    2. Yeah, looks like you could just casually walk around it and stick a screwdriver in its neck before it even raises a fist.

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  24. Natfka I really appreciate your positive attitude and I'm guessing you've seen much more of the models than the few WD pics that are floating around right now.

    For me personally, I just can't help but feeling vaguely disappointed by what I've seen of the Centurions so far. The other models, like the tanks, vanguard and characters, however, I love! And most people seem to dig them too. So I'd say that the reaction to the Centurions so far has been rational and consistent.

    You are totally correct that once they are out in the world and painted and posed differently my opinion may change, but when so many people are so invested in this game and their armies, I'm not surprised that there has been a negative response so far.

    But, like you said, we shall see!

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    1. With you 100% Prodigal. I appreciate what Natfka's trying to say but compared to the rest of the models being released I'm not a fan. I get it, reserve judgement and all but first impressions do count and these models just seem very static and flat, of course they are a 2d image but you know what I mean.

      I could be wrong but I thought the design process was create a model, have games developers come up with appropriate rules but this feels like it was done the other way round.

      The rest of the releases look good though and I reserve the right to change my mind about Centurions, but I've only done that once so far and that was with the riptide model.

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  25. NO EXCUSES!!! Look at the marines in the image you have chosen natfka!! They are filled with details, they look GREAT, they look like warriors, they are rude and hard and profesional soldiers. Even therir attitude (and we are talking about an image from a videogame) is way better tan this new minis. If you need to EXPLAIN why you did that horrible design, you FAILED completely.

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    1. that or you're not thinking logicly. the centurions look fine. they're blocky and utilitarian which really fits the space marine aestetic fine. if you want stylized works of art go play Eldar

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    2. I can only SHOW YOU THIS to demonstrate that perfectly done minis that can perfectly fit in the space marine utilitarian aesthetics don't need to be horrible and blocky:

      http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space-Marine-Dreadnoughts/RELIC-CONTEMPTOR-DREADNOUGHT-BODY.html


      http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440272a&prodId=prod1600058a

      http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1160099a

      http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1560026

      http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440275a&prodId=prod2060076a


      This are but a few examples of well done models, you can see that the style IS bulky but they are G R E A T. Again no excuses for a really bad model. AND they are suposed to assault???????

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  26. People aren't being internet whiners with the Centurions, GW just keeps releasing very childish sculpts for power armor armies.

    Dark Angels: People dislike cheesy landspeeders
    Chaos: People dislike cheesy Oblit faces and the Dino-Bot
    Tau: No real complaints on aesthetics
    Eldar: No real complaints on aesthetics

    Centurions are cartoonish and terrible looking, just like the Storm Talon and Dreadknight. The new tank looks cool. GW obviously wants SM to have aesthetics with a childish facet, probably to bring younger people in. If I played SM I would convert, use 3rd party or proxy something reasonable. I would never field those Tonka Turds.

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    1. You exactly said what I was thinking, I am afraid I am not english speaker so I find my lack of vocabulary disturbing. But I can say in english that YOU ARE REALLY RIGHT. Tired of new minis I will not buy, nothing exciting.

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    2. yes they look big and blocky, so's a rhino. so's a land raider, a predator, a lemen russ, or any number of other imperium vehicles. that's the aestetic.

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    3. But those other things you mentioned pull off the design aesthetic. The Centurions look utterly impractical. To be fair I'm not a fan of conventional dreadnaughts or terminators either so it shouldn't be too much of a shock that I find Centurions unappealing. I think FW do a much better job when it comes to them.

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    4. @Brian: you talked about VEHICLES. Even the clssical dreadnought looks way more mobile than these ones. And look at the contemptor dreadnought: solid, bulky but GOOD.

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    5. It's funny, I remember some people hated the look of the contemptor when it was released because it was too round yet blocky and looked like a warmachine rip off (paraphrasing what I remember being said). Of course now it's one of forgeworld's most popular kits!

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  27. I'm on the fence when it comes to the Centurions. I really can't say I like the Assault variety but I think the Devastators look a whole lot better.
    I really don't see myself buying any but there is something about a heavy armor with assault grenade launchers in the chest that I really like. Something like that on a bigger tougher Terminator would really have me sold.

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  28. The real fluff is that "they are looted from orkz"

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  29. Chaos has Obliterators that are useful heavy support units? Let's give Space Marines Obliterators too!

    So when are we Chaos players going to get Thunderfire Cannons? Or Stormshield Terminators?

    At least we still have Heldrakes for ourselves.

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    1. Ugh, don't say that too loudly.

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    2. the stormtalon is no doubt getting the ability to replace it's assault canon with a balefire flamer

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    3. @Brian

      Why yes! CSM having Baledrake surely justifies SM having everything else that CSM don't have!

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  30. POWER EXTREME!stremestremestreme

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  31. This just looks like Iron Hands thing - Flesh is Weak and all that.

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  32. Out of interest Natfka how much do GWS pay you to spruik their products now?

    I mean contradicting the masses in hating the new models (yes I went there, because until this post that's the only response I've seen) and then saying you are holding off judgement (total contradiction) while undoubtedly acting as a community leader in swaying opinion is how smart companies use community resources to assist their business model/marketing/pr/sales.
    Now I would never have assumed that GWS were that smart, but the tone of your posts have gone from being a provider of news and rumours, to basically being a GWS fanboi alongside the rumours...
    Condition of them not trying to harass you further perhaps?

    I may be totally off-base but so many of your posts are full of unnecessarily opinionated (supportive) sections towards GWS that I just feel I've never seen before (the shutdown).

    I mean there are a very few bloggers who are totally neutral, but while in the past I would have said you were one, I definitely wouldn't anymore.

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    1. I agree. This post just seemed like a waste of space.

      Saying criticism of the models is 'unwarranted'?
      How is that relevant, or necessary to say?
      It's personal taste, not something you can say is right or wrong, and the majority are saying bad.

      I think the Centurion's existence is what's really unwarranted.
      They are redundant at least, and overkill at worst - not to mention misplaced in terms of fluff - where have they been all these millenia, or at least decades in real time?
      For so long there's always been Power armour, Terminator armour, Scouts and Dreadnoughts. They cover all tactical bases and levels of armour.
      These centurions now have to be inserted somehow - has the Mechanicum actually come up with new tech, or these have been around since the heresy but not spoken of?
      Totally unnecessary, and spoils the established image and history of space marines.

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    2. He can have his own opinions on the hobby. In the right conditions I kinda like centurions (ranged and helmets on) and not just to be different or special.

      If he seems to be contradicting the masses then maybe it's a clever ploy to get people talking about it, to encourage more opinions than "I hate them". Fair enough, you're allowed your opinions too but just because someone disagrees doesn't mean they're getting paid to do so.
      I can't speak for anyone but myself but I wouldn't say Natfka has any influence over me, I just come here for the news and use my own opinions.

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  33. Cmon, he probably has to say nice things about their models after they almost shut him down, give the guy a break, if you don't like it here, try dakka dakka.

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