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Dark Eldar Raider costs, Liquifier, and Dark Scythes Uncovered



The mysterious Dark Scythe weapon found on the Voidraven is unveiled as a S8 AP2 blast weapon, and it looks like liquifiers are getting a strength reduction. Check out the latest from someone that is rumored to have the codex in hand, or at least seen it!


Please remember that these are rumors from someone with the codex.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Wyches inv save says it works against all wounds in the Fight Sub Phase.

Dark Scythes are 24" S8 AP2 Heavy 1, Blast, Lance

Liquifier guns are still in the book but they're S3 now, still D6
ap. 

Raiders and Venoms are both 55 points base.

Allied wraithguard yeah its a nice combo, with the webway portal you dont scatter. 
Archons, succubus and haemonculus all can have it (35 points)

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  1. Just what DE needed, another S8 AP2 single shot weapon.. oh wait.
    I imagine giving the army some S6 or S7 weapon with multiple shots so we can finally deal with light vehicles and hordes would have been asking too much. Bye scatterlaser.

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    1. Dark Eldar are super cheap and have plenty of answers.

      Besides, every army shouldn't have abundant and reliable access to answers for everything. Everyone needs a kryptonite.

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    2. Umm it is a blast weapon so a bit better than single shot.

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    3. Not against vehicles it isn't, which is what the OP is referring to

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    4. Agree.
      Vehicles are hullpoint striped to death more than 1 shot killed. Its not ap1 either. Against MCs more shots are also better.
      This is more a termi Killer. But how much non TH/SS Termis are fielded now a days? Ok meganobz. But apart from them?

      Just 1 shot from a 160pts flyer is not that great. I hope this is not all.

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  2. Jesus, that bomber will BEAST horde armies. Large blast bomb, 2 blast Dark Scythes and 4 large blast missiles (assuming they still work the same). Ouch!

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    1. Let's hope the codex didn't completely remove s9 from the army.

      The Razorwing fighter was already supremely effective against horde armies. With the 4 stock missiles and 2 disintegrators, it even was nasty against MEQ spam.

      In the previous incarnation of the bomber, what really set it apart was the s9 lances and the extra point of armour. By taking only 2 missiles, the bomber worked out to 175 points, or the same price as properly loaded Razorwing but sturdier and more effective.

      Taking S9 weapons really is a big deal to this vehicle and to the army as a whole. S8 lances fail to pen by 1 point all too often. The way anti-armour works, S8 weapons are nothing more than unreliable haywire weapons since they seem to glance more often than not and seldom penetrate.

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    3. I'm guessing the void lances are probably going to be S9 AP2 Lance weapons but the Dark Scythes may genuinely be more versatile. Exactly the same profile as a Dark Lance but also a small blast weapon for clearing out infantry. Either way, I'm a lot more excited about the Voidraven than I was yesterday! That point cost may be semi-justifiable now!

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    4. Sure its 2 weapons and not twin?

      I also think you can fire all the
      missels & the other weapons. Might have changed in 7th.

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    5. Oh how I miss the 5th Edition alpha strike with twin Razorwings, i.e.: dump all your missiles and 3 guns in one turn. It was a bit OP but was a great way to clear infantry before the birds got shot down.

      Blast weapons do make sense on a bomber and they truly reinforce the role of the plane. I'm curious to see how well these new guns will function to possibly replace disentegrators. At first glance, small blast vs assault3 does seem to have a stronger potential.

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  3. why has no one commented on the statline of the new ossefactor?

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  4. why would i ally a DE for webway if i can get Illic for infiltrate to 1"
    btw i smell whishlist around wychez, and yeah nerf a luckflamer by reducing its only not random stat...

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  5. also I believe that army wide adamantium will would be a good enough anti psyker solution. We do, after all, deny ourselves access to the powers of the warp due to our fear of She Who Thirsts, even though we are all inherent psykers

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  6. So deep striking fire dragons then?

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    1. That sounds good... Really good actually.

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    2. Agreed, I have seen people mention wraithguard and blasterborn, but the first unit I thought of with the new webway was fire dragons.

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    3. can fire dragons (or any battle brother unit) start embarked on a venom/raider in reserve and deepstrike after turn 1?

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  7. I'm more interested in deep striking dscythe wraithguard.

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  8. Wyches Invulnerable save already works against all wounds in the fight sub phase, to bad overwatch is done in the charge sub phase

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    1. I want to believe that what they mean by saying that is that you can actually use your inv save against overwatch, otherwise this rule would be exactly the same that we had on our previous Codex. This is one of the changes wyches need to be worthwhile.

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    2. Well, wyches no longer get their invul saves against psychic novas, so that's pretty sweet for my grey knights.

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  9. I used liquifier guns to great effect. I'm glad they felt the need to nerf something that was not broken so I would have to get a new box set. :( Ugh.

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  11. I also used Liquefiers to great effect but str3 Liquefiers are garbage. They better be only 5 points each now. Either that or Wracks better see some serious buffs/points reductions. They were already too many points and now they have been nerfed multiple times.( str3 liq, possible no fnp to start with, poison nerf) They can't even glance vehicles to death anymore since they don't get access to furious charge until turn 4. As if Wracks weren't already specialized enough. I play a Coven list and things are looking pretty bleak for an army type that already is not very good. I love playing fluff and armies that I like, but there is a limit to how bad things can be. Especially if you play against armies like IG and Eldar often. Fluff isn't fun anymore when your army can't even put a dent in the other guy's before you get wiped off the board.

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    1. Its called narrativ gameing.

      Tell youre opponent to lose to further the Storline. Or give youreself a big advantag before game. More pts or a free Bunker.


      GW has & is going down this road and it wont change soon.

      People were complaining about codex esscalation before and Balance. So this is GWs reaction.

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  12. Yeah. Sounds pretty terrible for the wracks. At least by reading GWs post for a new ceo you can tell that they understand that their business model is whack. Wait, on second read they just want a yes man that will fit into their non profit culture of arrogance. I've played this game for 20 years, but they might have finally killed it for me. The only thing they have left are good IP and good models. GW, you should read your own fluff on the decadence and the fall. People have said this before, but I do believe you will be canibalized soon.

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    1. Idk if the IP in and of itself is that "good". The movie ultramariens failed a bit and some other stuff aswell. While SM are populare most other armys are on a random Fantasy Army popularity lvl.

      Its just a generic "after the apocalypse" Story in space with a little bit of Nazi super human BS and super weapons.

      Models are great but for the price?!
      Without a game no One would buy as many.

      The game is essential.
      Rule changes Drive sales.
      Fluff is Entertainment on Top. Will sell Video Games but Its not mainstream nore will it be. Its not LotR or Starwars IP that sell Millions of side products.

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  13. Looked at the book today.

    Void Bomber is 160 points base.

    2 Dark Lances, or 2 Dark Scythes (24" S8 AP2 Blast, Lance).

    you can purchase 2 types of missiles, 4, 2/2, 4 at 40/50/60 points.

    On was S5 AP5 Large Blast, Shred - I forget the other. Mono missile are only available on the fighter.

    The void bomb is S9 AP2 Lance, Large Blast, Bomb

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    1. Oh, Archon is 5+ save, Jetbike are 5+ save (I didn't get to hold the book, just asked a few questions).

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