collated by Johan Märs over at Dice and Brush
via Beluc over at Warseer:
So I'll start with the thing everyone is waiting to here.
50 Great weapon, Khorne Marauders with full command are 580 points, they do however retain their statline
Now on the more mundane things that have changed.
Mark of Khorne; frenzy
Mark of Tzeentch; +1 ward save
Mark of Slaanesh; Auto pass fear, terror and panic
Mark of Nugrle; Flat -1 to hit in close combat
Marks on a per model basis
Mutant regen is gone (except throgg), and troll vomit is no longer magical, same cost
Chaos ogres gain impact hits
Dragon ogres gain halberd option
Forsaken are basically the same, same point cost, with a chart of rollable USR, ranging from asf, poison, etc
MofK on Forsaken is hatred, MofS is Swiftstride
Eye of the gods are all stat increases, except for 12 which turns characters, and chosen champ into Daemon Prince, units gain stubburn
Valkia always gets +1 S when she rolls on eye of the gods
Sigvald always rolls +1 A on eotgs, and gained T5
Chaos warriors same statline
Warhounds true core
Chariots as normal true core
Hellcannon gains 5+ ward, everything else is the same
Chaos lord stays the same, mounts change a little manticore for example, and marks are somewhat cheaper, mundane gear drops in price
Chaos sorcerers, lores as rumoured, same statline
Daemon Princes!!!
A wait for it... Mazing.
Chaos lord statline, ws9, S6, 5+ ward, Magical attacks, Unbreakable , must take a mark Khorne is +1s on charge, Nurgle is -1 to hit, Slaanesh is armour piercing?, and Tzeentch is re-roll 1's on ward and channel attempts
New stuff:
Chimera, SofM stats with a 4+ armour, for X points gains regeneration, for Y points gains s4 flaming breath weapon, tail attack has rules d3 attacks that are +1 to hit in rear
Slaughterbrute is basically just a attack machine, bound uses are lord or hero ws, and opperates as normal (S7 or 6 can't rememeber exactly can check later, t6, 4+ armour) or can be unbound in which case its frenzied (which it can't lose), and Random movement 2d6, can buy 2 more s5 attacks
Hentical beast, less killy bound spell's effect is roll a d6, 1-5 are d6 T test + effect, 6 is whole unit + effect.
On Magic really great spells basically all made to turn the army into a killing machine, some of my favorites are 2 slaanesh spells 2 and 6 are hexes that give the unit ASL, and random movement d6, Treason is no inspiring presences or hold your ground, Phantasmagoria and Pavane, are both there. Nurgle has a lot of spells that are hexes and augments depending on who you use them on. Curse of the leper gives +d3 T to allies or -d3 to enemies. None are AoE if I recall correctly. Gateway on a 10+ for S is 3d6 hits, instead of 2d6
Skullcrushers get regular MC stats, Juggers have 3 attacks at s6 on the charge, Riders buy lances for 3 or EW for 5. Juggers have magical attacks and are only +2 to armour. Added (And 20 pts increase?)
Juggers are T4, 3 wounds
Daemonswords is gone, Magic items are if I recall correctly, Hellfire sword, Sword of change, The nurgle mace, helm of many eyes is now armour, a slaanesh item that gives you an additional attack for every wound you cause (might be a gift actually), The chalice is pretty meh to be honest.
Eye of the gods is all stat increases +1 bs is 3, +1 attack, +1s, +1 I, etc. Chosen before game roll, get to roll 3d6 and remove on die.
Gifts are mostly pretty cheap, there is one where you trade your attacks for double strength, flaming +5 ward against flaming, poison + 5 ward against poison, scally skin, third eye is back but it doesn't steal spells, an item that gives you +1 spell and +1 to channel.
Oh glean magic, lore of tzeentch, your oppenent loses a wizard level, and a randomly determined spell, which you then gain.
Banner of rage is mofK only makes frenzy unlose able, if a character with the banner joins a unit they gain frenzy,I'm pretty sure blasted standard is also there can't recall all what it did to be honest.
There is a slaanesh banner or item that lets the unit roll 1d6 for Ld.
Oh giant is much cheaper, and mark of Slaanesh is +1 I
Question: Can you expand on the eotg table some more please since its involved so much is it similar to csm one or is it same small table with few changes? Do marauders come with light armour as standard or do you buy it?
Its pretty much what I said so far, 2 is take a ld test if you pass your -1 Ld and stupid, fail and your a spawn or removed, Stubburn, as is LD, 12 is daemon prince, 7 is a re-roll for that turn, everything else is a permanent killing stat increase.
Answer: Marauders are same as now you pay for all their gear in addition, you start with a naked dude.
Question: You're kidding. you have to CAST the EotG spell as a bound spell? That's it?
Shame on GW for pulling a brazen bait and switch with skull crushers, making them awesome so everyone bought them, then nerfing them once sales declined. And the warshrine too... a bound spell?
Answer: A unit of 3 skullcrushers w/ lances at under 250 points puts out 9 S 6 attacks, 9 S6 magical attacks and 3 S 5 magical attacks, have a 1+ armour save, and highly resistant to test or die spells, I'd say they are well costed, especially when compared against chaos knights.
Chaos knights stay the same, Command are normalized, and marks are per model, must buy EWs.
Question: They don't seem worse. The mounts gained +1 attack and +1 strength on the charge. They might be more expensive, but they're even deadlier than before.
Answer: Not red fury, they get an additional attack afterwards, think that pendant in the hordes of chaos book.
Question: What options in the book allow you to field a viable mono-Khorne army with no wizards as you should be able to do?
Answer: Depends what you mean by viable? Do you want an item that basically makes the opponents 200+ point investment pointless? Or are special flying monsters with regen and 6 attacks not an option? Not to be snarky or rude, I've never understood non-khorne players asking for nifty items or abilities to deal with magic. Khorne hates magic, take the wizard's skull. The fact that you can comfortably fit 3 flying monsters into a 2200 points list should deal with wizards pretty quickly.
Question: Must've misread something, I thought you said they're now AS2+ instead of AS 1+
Answers: Nope the Jugger gives +2 instead of +3 so the total is still 1+, as they have shields.
Question: Does Throgg still let Trolls be core?
Answer: Yes
Question: are there any god specific gifts?
Answer: Several gifts and items
Question: You mentioned marauders are now more than double their original cost. What about warriors, you said their stats are the same... exactly the same? Did their points cost go up or down?
Answer: A naked Chaos warrior is 6.25% cheaper, shield same, additional hand weapon same, halberd 300% increase, Great weapon 150% increase.
Question: Is Kholek still in the book? If the answer is no, just don't reply. My heart will break
Answer: lol Kholek is there cheaper and largely unchanged, although someone did mention his armour save was lower, I didn't follow up on it so I can check if I remember.
So I've double check warshrine. It gives a 3d6 roll and you remove the die you want. For example if you roll 2-3-5 you can have 7, 5, or 8 result. Which means unless you roll triple ones you aren't going to see insanity which still functions the same.
Question: are dragonogres still 4+ armor save and T4 for 60points naked (so still +12 for great weapon?)????? :|
Answer: Same stat line 30% less for great weapons, halberds cost the same as Great weapons
Question: Still after an answer on puppet if it's definately out?
Answer: Gone, like my dad
Question: Jeez and forksaken are the same points. ???
Nerd Vomit.
Answer: Forsaken are pretty meh to be honest, ASL is 1 in 6 chance, followed by one of poison, asf, killing blow, armour piercing, and one more USR.
